This is very unfair Baldy. Who is trying to be misleading here? You can change the meaning of someone's statement by doing what you've just done. This is the full statement:
"This was not a Knox rally. This was a community rally. I asked nobody to do anything for a Knox rally. I asked them to do it for a community fair in the park where we had a church rally," said Blackwell. " Blackwell's statement indicates that she did not ask for or know about planned actions that would violate laws. Her FULL statement indicates that she states that she was not aware in advance that wrong doing was planned. You simply can't infer that this disputes the reported experiences of the students. But it is extremely unfair to underquote the Councilwoman, Baldy. Now, this is curious. A public news report suggests that Wendell, the ceo of UCD, didn't know anything about the policy implementation for which he is ultimately responsible for.. Some of you don't want to see a problem if this is true, yet you are willing to play with the Blackwell statement to make unsupportable assumptions. Politicians go to lots of events and it is much more believable that Councilwoman Blackwell didn't know the details that led to the student accounts and news reports, than Wendell knowing nothing. This raises an important matter. I believe we, as a community, should put together a petition to Councilwoman Blackwell and you are good at that. Will you help me? The Councilwoman too is probably quite ready to have the truth of this UCD affair come out. We need to draft a request for a full and complete investigation by the city of all inappropriate or illegal policies conducted by the UCD over the years. We need to look into ways for the city of Philadelphia to file a formal complaint with the IRS over the alleged violations of the law. And we need to see that UCD never again receives community court probationers and also that the Municipal Court review its contracts with all of these "service agencies" before continuing this program. The civil rights abuses may be widespread and we won't know pending a full an independent investigation. We have another serious matter. News reports suggest that the University's Office of Public Safety is operating some type of separate court all within the jurisdiction of the Penn Police. I believe, we need to ask the University for a clarification of their procedures when arresting students and non students for the same violations. Are they sent through two different systems for disposition? Can we work on this together? Baldy, I would apologize for underquotting the Councilwoman's statement because it was terribly misleading until I came to your rescue. Your friend and neighbor, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Doc Baldy To: Glenn Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer > Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made I guess we just see it differently. Seems to me there are lots of ways to interpret the sparse details. What I particularly find interesting is that the student said "they" were passing out fliers. He didn't say "he" was passing out fliers. It also does sound to me like the Councilwoman did directly contradict the student's statement. From 6abc.com: http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=politics&id=5328900 Student: "It was a Tom Knox rally. They had on every corner, the four corners of Malcom X Park, Tom Knox signs. They were passing out flyers," Councilwoman Blackwell: "This was not a Knox rally. This was a community rally." Then again it seems pointless to argue over second (or third) hand statements. Good night, Doc On 5/30/07, Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Actually didn't Councilwoman Blackwell contradict the student's statement?" No, that is Cassidy attempting to fool everyone.. Since he does this sort of thing a lot, I would guess he is trying to mislead everyone instead of it being simple stupidity. I'm not completely sure. What I saw was her denial of inappropriate involvement. Her statement was that she did not seek labor to set up a Knox campaign effort. She asked UCD for help with a community church rally. It implies to me that she claims no advance knowledge of illegal UCD political involvement making what she thought was a different event into a situation where community service probationers and UCD employees did actual Knox campaign work under UCD direction. You see here is an area of this scandal where we have no answers only questions. Consider what if she planned to attend the event, but someone else gave the order to break out the Knox stuff and she knew nothing about that plan in advance. Blackwell and the students could all be completely truthful. To imply that this brief statement attributed to her means that she is claiming that the students story is a lie is not supported. I certainly have made no comment on her denial of inappropriate involvement or advance knowledge. See how Cassidy wants to lead the gullible into believing his fallacious arguments. Maybe I missed something but can you show me any statement other than Cassidy's nonsense from her that claims these students are lying? Cassidy and Pumyhera are on a bizzare campaign to assert that all discussion must cease because the list is not a court of law. Now, Cassidy is trying this nonsense twisting Blackwell's denial of involvement into meaning that she claims the students were lying. You need to pay attention Baldy. Your friend and neighbor, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Doc Baldy To: Glenn Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer > Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made and an "official" Actually didn't Councilwoman Blackwell contradict the student's statement? Cheers, Doc On 5/30/07, Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There have been several different reports about the incident at Malcolm X Park. Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made and an "official" but extremely useless statement has come from UCD that suggests that the student accounts are not what is disputed. UCD and Penn could prove the students to be liars and stop the speculation too. I believe the students and the reporters until UCD proves that they are liars and all the reporters are stupid. But I believe that you just want this to be covered over and forgotten. Isn't that the reason for your posts about the word "prisoner" and "hearsay?" Isn't the current problem the reason that entities like UCD must not be permitted to operate behind a wall of secrecy, in the first place, with no need to ever provide any truthful acountability? Why do you continue to sugget that people in this community should stop discussing this matter? Cassidy is demanding a criminal conviction or I should shut-up. Why don't you focus on giving him a lecture on non-criminal violations of the 501 c3 laws? None of us have the resources to independently ascertain the truth. Can we agree that UCD is refusing to clear-up everyone's silly speculations? Wouldn't it be great if Wendell Lewis made a fool out of my criticisms of UCD? I'd certainly look like a complete idiot. Come on Wendell, we're all pulling for ya. ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Fwd: [UC] The UCD answer I know some people on the list may get into legal debates, but I'm not one, really. But I must tell you that quotation marks don't negate hearsay but rather prove it. And you're correct that newspapers are full of it. That's why you don't usually see newspapers introduced into evidence in court! And while you're correct that the truth sometimes does align with the hearsay, you're also agreeing that it doesn't always. I'm not unable to believe anything about the incident but rather am objecting to those who are sure they know the truth based upon a newspaper article. And I know people don't believe everything they read in the paper any more than they believe everything a cop tells them. You may well be right in your reliance but it's possible you're not. -----Original Message----- From: Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 1:24 am Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer On May 29, 2007, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I stated before, you're determining facts based on double hearsay - you read what the reporter wrote about what someone may have told her. If there were a good investigation, one thing it would do is have people interviewed and actually asked the questions directly about what happened. The student appears to have told the reporter directly, by the way, if that's what the quotation marks around his statements mean, so it's no more hearsay than any other newspaper report and certainly not "double hearsay" since the student did not speak for or about anyone but himself. People with lots of experience actually asking questions of witnesses will tell you that what people really know often doesn't align with what other people think the witnesses know, or what the reporter said. It happens all the time. People with lots of experience actually asking questions of witnesses will also tell me that what people know often *exactly* aligns with what other people think the witnesses know, or what the reporter said. So what? Why are some people on this list so unable to believe that the saintly John Fenton might have made a mistake? I honestly don't believe UCD would have suspended John Fenton if nothing at all had occurred. I think they're investigating *how* it happened, not if. 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