??? I love how you complain about other poster's discourse, then use the same tactics you decry.? First, you were victimized by ad hominem attacks but have no reluctance to use them on others.? Today, you fuss about straw men and then adopt the method yourself.
?? What Al said: "1) As a tax-exempt organization, the organization's policies and modus operandi are legally and morally a matter of public record and public concern." ?? What I said:? "Can you share the citation to the law that makes non profit policies and MO's matters of public record?" ???? Al then provided the citation of law.? Thanks Al.? I'll try to look it up later.? ??? What you said: "I thought it was common knowledge that non-profit?organizations have to?have? written?by laws with a written purpose filed with the IRS in order to be recognized and approved." ? Followed by the lay person's gem: "Why on earth would you be asking for this requirement?if you are a lawyer?"? ???? What you told us earlier today: " A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted."? Earlier, you also suggested that no one had claimed UCD had done anything illegal. ?? The fallacy?? Misrepresenting my question as a suggestion that I didn't know what law requires non-profits to file bylaws with the IRS, or perhaps that I was insinuating that "the current UCD cover up was the legal issue". (which, BTW, I don't know if your common knowledge is correct).? My actual question: what law requires that the policies and MO's of a non profit be a matter of public record? ?? Most interestingly, it sure sounds like you are criticizing me for asking a simple question to determine the bases for Al's assertion.? Here we all thought you were fighting for freedom, democracy and public debate.? Are you hoping to silence me?? Is free speech just for you?? What kind of buddy are you? Paul ?? ?? -----Original Message----- From: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Sent: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [UC] IRS Treatment of third-party information relating to tax-exempt organizations ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Fwd: [UC] IRS Treatment of third-party information relating to tax-exempt organizations Al, ??? Can you share the citation to the law that makes non profit policies and MO's matters of public record?? Thanks, Paul ? ? I'm confused by your question.? I thought it was common knowledge that non-profit?organizations have to?have? written?by laws with a written purpose filed with the IRS in order to be recognized and approved. ? Why on earth would you be asking for this requirement?if you are a lawyer? You could probably get this on an information sheet about the process for starting a non-profit.? ? Someone might get confused about?the legal issues here.? You don't think that Al or anyone suggested that the current UCD cover-up was the legal?issue?? Are you really more interested in debating the word, policy, than getting?your requested citation?? I remember, you like to debate usage and semantics to attempt to confuse someone's point. ? I just read one of Cassidy's posts and now he seems confused too.? Don't worry, I tried to help him understand that your question was nothing to get excited about. ? Your buddy, Glenn ? ? ? ? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 7:46 pm Subject: [UC] IRS Treatment of third-party information relating to tax-exempt organizations UCD continues to be less than forthcoming about the "internal investigation" of its violation of the laws under which it operates as a tax-exempt organization. Namely through the use of its resources on behalf of a political candidate in the recent mayoral primary. ? Those of us who question the NID proposal by UCD, which includes UCD's management of what amounts to a QUANGO in the event it does happen to be formed, have been holding back on filing complaints with the IRS questioning UCD's tax-exempt status. ? While UCD supporters keep saying this is a private matter internal to the organization, they are forgetting two key issues: 1) As a tax-exempt organization, the organization's policies and modus operandi are legally and morally a matter of public record and public concern. 2) As the organization that proposes to impose a real estate surtax on some (it'll most likely be all if the bill is to have any hope of not only passing but surviving a chanllenge under the uniform taxation clause of the State Constitution and under the principle of "rational nexus" as detailed in the state legislation enabling NIDS), UCD's chains of responsibiliy and accountability are very much a public concern (i.e., making Fenton a scapegoat and letting Lewis and the Board of Directors off scot-free ain't gonna cut it). ? In preparation for what might happen if UCD continues to stonewall, those interested in filing complaints or joining in a group complaint might want to read ? "IRS Treatment of third-party information relating to tax-exempt organizations" -- Click here: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-news/fs-02-10.pdf ? Al Krigman Left of Ivan Grozny See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/829 - Release Date: 6/2/2007 5:26 PM ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
