Sande, I hear you. Perhaps anytime we elevate someone to such a revered status, it is a way for us to abdicate responsibility for taking action ourselves. No one is perfect, but admirable character traits do not necessarily indicate a seamy underside. There is genuine "Good", and some people are committed to it and pursue it in the public interest, but they are then "banalized" as being "do-gooders" or having a seamier agenda (witness Saturday Night Live's opening skit of the Spitzer news conference). I think this is the poisonous, glib propaganda of the individualistic, selfish and "normative" status quo. This includes the media pundits of the Left and Right who quickly and self-righteously reduce complex issues to moralistic "I told you so's". On the Right they use a narrow moralistic view of Christian scripture and laissez-faire economics (Wealth=Worth; Good guys end up on Top"). The Left resorts to the prophet of modernism, Sigmund Freud, who reduces any of our higher aspirations as originating in the impulse to saving our own skin, or getting inside someone else's. Reductionism on both sides protects the vicious status quo where we allow our children to be the bait of marketing predators, political education theorists and social service agencies (and ultimately prison) because this benefits the institutions involved and the preservation of our view that the system we prosper from is "good" and in the words of our Commander and Chief - "a few bad apples" or "evil doers" are responsible for the inhuman conditions of Abu Graib or the Philadelphia Public School system. Kill the messenger, but expose his peccadillo's first in order to discredit him and to show that he was motivated just like the rest of us by venal self-interest. It is interesting timing that in the Christian calendar, it is the beginning of Holy Week, the culmination of which has Jesus executed by the state for being a "pretender" to something higher and loftier than the emperor. This time the headline or "I told you so" ordered by Pilate is written and hung on top of his inhuman instrument of execution: "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews." According to the accounts shaden freude was just as much a crowd pleaser as it is now. I guess that was cold consolation for those subjects who had to live on.

Joe Clarke

SKnight wrote:
Joe,
It was never my intention to be glib. I guess I don't always understand your humor is all. Perhaps it is drier than I realize. Funny you should write this. In Sunday's Inquirer, Chris Satullo wrote an interesting article examining Spitzer's personality in light of a couple of psychiatric terms, ie, projection and reaction formation. His article explains Spitzer beautifully. Very sad really. I don't know about you, but when anyone suggests that someone is a "pillar of the community" I blanch b/c I immediately think of a very different way to describe such a person. These types are more commonly found to be molesters of their children too, witness the father of a Miss America some many years back.

Sande

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Joe Clarke <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    *To:* SKnight <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; University City
    List <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:26 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [UC] I weep for him.

    Sande,
       Now, you're the glib one.  No I wasn't excusing them at all.  I've
    read the articles and saw the movie(s) about this guy. I just
    wanted to
    point out that he had this moralistic side that blinded him to his
    own
    "real" moral depravity..  This guy is a case study for the utter
    insanity that can be associated with a "true believer".   Do these
    cult's of certainty - absolute good versus absolute evil - have a
    special draw to people who can not reconcile their own humanity
    with the
ideal. (By the way, the cults of certainty can be any form of ideology
    whether religious, political, ethnic, etc. )
       At the same time any quick judgments of someone else's  immoral
    behavior are usually a red flag that warrants a closer look at the
    accuser aand his/her scrupulosity.

    Joe

    SKnight wrote:
    > Gee, Joe,
> > I guess it was his evil twin who taped those sex sessions with his
    > wife to send to other men.  No, he didn't indulge in moral
    relativism
    > at all.
> > Sande Knight
    >
    >     ----- Original Message -----
    >     *From:* Joe Clarke <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    >     *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; University City
    >     List <mailto:[email protected]>
    >     *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:26 PM
    >     *Subject:* Re: [UC] I weep for him.
    >
    >     Melani,
    >         Yes, they have their discrepancies too: Privilege has its
    >     privileges
    >     even when they are, in the very least, unethical.  I think
    of Robert
    >     Hanson, the hyper-traditional Catholic, who never did any of the
    >     naughty
    >     things that the other men in the bureau (F.B.I.) did;
    instead he sold
    >     state secrets to the Soviets resulting in billions of
    dollars in lost
    >     technologies and research and lost  lives.  He was a true
    American
    >     patriot (and Catholic)  in his own mind: He hated communism,
    >     homosexuality and, no doubt, moral relativism. I think that
    the Right
    >     confuses piety with morality, while  the Left confuses
    "correctness"
    >     with  "justice".   Both sides exalt the ideal form rather
    than the
    >     messy
    >     substance of the "real".  You can do this when you're up
    their on the
    >     summit of privilege - whether in academia, politics, business or
    >     religion.
    >
    >
    >     Joe
    >
    >     "He loved humanity, but just couldn't stand people."  - ????
    >
    >     When elephants fight it is the grass that suffers.   Indian
    proverb.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >     [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    >     >
    >     > In a message dated 3/13/08 12:26:03 PM,
    [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    >     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
    >     >>   I
    >     >> think if you want someone who passes the squeaky clean
    criteria
    >     (read
    >     >> sexless & passionless) you will have go back to Rick
    Santorum, Dick
    >     >> Cheyney, Dan Quail and that lot.
    >     >
    >     > Didn't Rick Santorum have his PA county, where he was no
    longer
    >     > living, paying for the home schooling for his children,
    when he
    >     moved
    >     > to DC?  Perhaps people just don't think, when it's about
    >     themselves.
    >     > Even when they see the "big picture," they can't apply it to
    >     their own
    >     > lives.
    >     >
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