Same question I asked the other guy ... how did you get iTunes working on a system without built-in USB? I have been unable to launch either iTunes 2.04 or 3.01 on my PowerMac 7500 with Sonnet Crescendo G3/350. I wish they still made a copy of the earlier versions for OS X available, I have tried to find 1.1.1 to try that -- but haven't found a copy.
I am also using XPostFacto. I use a little program call Playthrough FX to enable my "mic in" port. It's not really designed purely to enable playthrough, it's meant to add reverb effects too (a very modest goal which leaves the program very small), but since Jaguar won't play through my sound-in jack, this is the leanest third-party software I could find that would do just that. Jaguar recognises my 'mic in' minijack (whereas 10.1.x wouldn't, at all, in fact it wouldn't even show me a 'Sound Input' preference pane, there was none - this was partly the subject of my first post to the list) -- but Jaguar won't play it all the way through to the speaker -- for some reason they have left that to third party software (or they are doing it in a less compatible way than third party software). They have Playthrough FX at mac.tucows.com (which sucks), and they have their own website I think too it shouldn't be too hard to find -- sorry I am long past having the URL and I am still waiting for a 128MB DIMM to arrive, so I don't have enough RAM yet to switch easily between email and browser without thrashing for five minutes. :) It's easy to find. As for your basic sound-out, I have never had a problem with sound out. But I don't remember actually testing the sound on 10.2. I believe I upgraded from 10.2 to 10.2.3 immediately without testing anything. That was probably dumb from a debugging standpoint, but as it turned out lucky, since everything that worked on OS 9, works on 10.2.3 -- except the special AV jacks, that plug into the motherboard right next to the PCI slots. I'm with the guy who suggested PCI is involved in this problem. Pretty well all my problems with accelerator compatibility (on OS 9 and X) have been in operations that rely on the PCI bus in some way. I keep swapping and checking memory chips when I have issues but they are NEVER the problem (despite the fact that one of them is an odd speed out). That's one reason I am loathe to spend the money for a faster ethernet card over the built-in ethernet. I believe (I have no technical basis for this it's a hunch) that the built-in ethernet port does NOT have any dealings with the PCI bus, whereas the 10/100 card of course, would. From my enlightened amateur's perspective, glitches in PCI compatibility with high speed processors which have never been entirely successfully 'engineered around' are the cause of every problem I have ever had, including the newly 'revealed' software incompatibility with the built-in video, which is probably just a bad engineering PCI kludge revealing itself in a new environment. Whenever I start dealing with the PCI bus, that's when I start praying. Everything else does exactly what I expect it to do. I would be glad to be informed by a real engineer that my hunches are worthless. Just provide me with the 'real story' to replace it with please .... :) Paul. P.S. Just in case it might help you replicate my setup in which the sound works fine and the 'sound in' jack works at least as a kludge, I ran Desinstaller to list exactly what it is I have installed since I last started 'clean'... BaseSystem.pkg BSD.pkg CCX2.1b4.pkg Essentials.pkg MacOSXUpdateCombo10.2.3.pkg QuickTimeSU.pkg (maybe this one here could be as important as the Combo when it comes to sound?) P.P.S. I don't know if this makes any difference, but I installed Jaguar as a CLEAN INSTALL. I know that you are not supposed to do this with XPostFacto, because it writes initialisation information to your drive that needs to stay there, but it was the only way, because I only have a 1 gig drive. I wanted to leave OS 9 on there for reboot, but the installer wouldn't play that. So I figured out an alternative -- THIS COULD BE USEFUL! -- I borrow a friend's super-functional iMac and burned a new copy of OS 9.1, including a copy of XPostFacto right on the disc, so that after the CLEAN INSTALL, I could reboot off my custom CD and run XPostFacto from there. But wait, you say. OS 9 CDs don't boot properly if you change them. There's some kind of checking that goes on to make sure everything is as expected on the System Disk. Here's how you get around THAT. Put in the original OS 9 install CD. Open the folder 'Software Installers', within that open 'Aladdin', within that open 'Aladdin Software', and within that you will see a folder called 'Updates and Special Offers'. MAKE AN ALIAS of that Updates folder for your desktop. Now, make a read/writable disk image of the OS 9 disk, with Disk Copy (select read/write in the prefs). Eject the OS 9 disk (very important that you eject it before the next step), and then mount the image you just made. Now, since the disk title and folder structures of the CD and the image are identical, your alias will point inside your image, thinking it's still seeing the original CD. Now just drop XPostFacto onto your alias. DO NOT open your alias. DO NOT open the image - AT ALL - or especially go digging through its folders while it is in read/write mode, as this will alter information on the disk and possibly alert the OS 9 checking routine that a change has been made. For similar reasons, I chose the most unimportant copy destination I could find -- "Updates and Special Offers" is a last-minute addition to a third-party vendor's folder -- the thing on the install CD I figured least likely to make it into their tamper-detection algorithms. If you do it this way (perhaps there are a thousand simpler ways but I didn't use those), you should be able to make a custom Boot CD that includes XPostFacto, as I have, and you should be able to do a clean install of Jaguar. However, I recommend that you reformat the drive with the installer discs built-in disk utility (from the file menu) BEFORE you run the install, instead of making that part of the install itself. When I tried to reformat the drive as part of the actual install, it hung. But doing the format manually worked like a charm for me, and suddenly all sorts of things worked that didn't before when I installed OS X 10.1.5 beside OS 9 -- including sound in (with Playthrough FX). Could have been just luck, I guess. Hope it all works out for you. I notice though that you have OS 9.1 on a second HD. You shouldn't need to do all this, but I do think that perhaps you haven't done a clean install, since nobody apparently does with XPostFacto. Well it IS possible. You just have to find a way with your available startup discs/drives to rerun XPostFacto on the drive after you install but before you try to boot the thing. On Friday, Jan 17, 2003, at 16:21 Canada/Eastern, John McGibney wrote: > I successfully installed jaguar on my 9500 using XPostFacto. > I have 2 annoyances though. > > 1. the display doesn't come on until about 3/4's of the way through the > start-up. > 2. no sound. > iTunes hangs during playing of songs, doesn't freeze just doesn't > play. > (stutters in 9 due to Sonnet ATA/66 bug) > No system sounds either. > Using internal speaker for now - do I need externals for X? > > System specs. > Hard drive: 2.5 gig, IBM IDE (1.00+ gigs free) > formatted with HDT after installing. > Classic: 9.1 on second HD. > Ram: 336 megs > IDE: Sonnet ATA 66 card > Video card: ATI Radeon 7000 > ATI update 10/02 installed in X and classic > > John > > > -- > Unsupported OS X is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> > > Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> > > Unsupported OS X list info > <http://lowendmac.com/lists/unsupported.html> > --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; > Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To unsubscribe, email: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For digest mode, email: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Archive > <http://www.mail-archive.com/unsupportedosx%40mail.maclaunch.com/> > > Using a Mac? 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