On Feb 1, 2004, at 2:32 PM, Unsupported OS X wrote:

I did an erase and re-install and again everything was going fine. I
avoided the security update this time.

Yes, it's starting to appear that the Security Update isn't so hot, perhaps too secure.


 I just installed 10.3.2. On
about the third reboot it shut out again. I flagged the 'Verbose'
option in XPF 3.0 and watched the text. It seems to be waiting for the
root device. I;ve tried throttling it back to 8 and even 16 and it
still fails. I don't get it. Why would it work at all for 2 reboots
then stop??

You just found the infamous "SCSI bug" which is probably the second worst Panther bug (the Firewire bug being the worst). I've had some success by unplugging the ABD devices (assuming you're not using USB keyboard & mouse) right after the boot. On this boot, I've had all my SCSI devices mount. You'll have no keyboard & mouse; but if you plug them back in and hit "ctl-cmd-pwr" it will reboot. On this reboot it will use the 'journal' to mount all the SCSI most of the time. It's some sort of timing problem, and perhaps the journal replay, etc. just adds a delay that allows them to mount, I don't know this stuff. I just know it usually works for me.


I'm struggling with the Firewire bug, and it appears that Apple will have to issue an update to solve this horrible problem. I paved a Firewire drive, installed Panther clean and upgraded. On the first reboot after the Security Update it was slashed out. Utilities found lots of stuff, and didn't fix it so far. I suppose I can try again? I'm not convinced the Security Update is really the cause of either your SCSI slash or my Firewire slash since others had this problem before the Security Update. I think it's just coincidence. The Firewire bug produces disk corruption only if this Firewire drive is attached during a Startup, Restart, Shutdown or Sleep. All other times it's fine. This means Firewire booting isn't probably advisable with Panther. I have 5 or more FIrewire enclosures, and only the one with the Indigita chipset is immune (I'm booted from it now on a 7500). Oxford 911 was what just killed the clean installation of Panther. This was booting a "pristine" System on an iBook (no XPF), with the latest Oxford firmware. Total bummer since Oxford had been so rock solid in Jaguar.

Kris Tilford






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