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>   1. Re: Which application environment is proper for begining php?
>      (Kyle Waters)
>   2. Re: Which application environment is proper for begining php?
>      (Scott Hill)
>   3. Re: Which application environment is proper for begining php?
>      (Walt Haas)
>   4. Re: Which application environment is proper for begining php?
>      (Michael Jones)
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> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:20:29 -0600
> From: Kyle Waters <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [UPHPU] Which application environment is proper for
>        begining php?
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> anil ozsoy wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > Here are my new questions :)
> >
> > Could you pls tell me?  which application environment is proper for
> begining
> > php?Why?
> > What is the beneficial side of using this productions?
> > Thanks for help
> >
> >
> Maybe we better get more background.  We are all assuming where you are
> coming from(and looks like I've over assumed, as others have noted).
> Have you programmed before?  What languages?  Do you know html?  What
> are you hoping to do with PHP?  What enviroments have you used to
> program in the past?
>
> I used to use Blue Fish because it had button to do html tags, but I
> found I type everything by hand anyway now that I know HTML, so I
> switched to gedit and vim.  They both do syntax highlighting very well.
> I've found little use for any ide with php, but may be others have
> different experiences.
>
> Kyle
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:32:45 -0600
> From: Scott Hill <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [UPHPU] Which application environment is proper for
>        begining php?
> To: Kyle Waters <[email protected]>
> Cc: uphpu <[email protected]>
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> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Kyle Waters <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> > Maybe we better get more background.  We are all assuming where you are
> > coming from(and looks like I've over assumed, as others have noted).
>  Have
> > you programmed before?  What languages?  Do you know html?  What are you
> > hoping to do with PHP?  What enviroments have you used to program in the
> > past?
> > I used to use Blue Fish because it had button to do html tags, but I
> found
> > I type everything by hand anyway now that I know HTML, so I switched to
> > gedit and vim.  They both do syntax highlighting very well.  I've found
> > little use for any ide with php, but may be others have  different
> > experiences.
> > Kyle
> >
> >
> A man after my own heart!  If you don't know Vi (Vim) and you are more used
> to WIndows type editors, then check out some of the free php editors that
> are available.  Start simple. IMHO unless you are doing some AJAX, you
> don't
> need an IDE.  Even having said that, Firefox can tell you exactly where
> your
> AJAX javascript booboos are.
>
> >
> > --
> > Scott Hill
> >
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:37:43 -0600
> From: Walt Haas <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [UPHPU] Which application environment is proper for
>        begining php?
> To: [email protected]
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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> anil ozsoy wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > Here are my new questions :)
> >
> > Could you pls tell me?  which application environment is proper for
> begining
> > php?Why?
> > What is the beneficial side of using this productions?
> >
> I use Netbeans 6.5 and/or Emacs.
>
> Netbeans has a good interface to Xdebug so that I can step through code
> line by line, which is nice for debugging.  Netbeans also gives you easy
> ways to navigate through very large programs.
>
> Emacs is small and fast and lets you do a lot with a few keystrokes, if
> you know the combinations.  But it doesn't give you tools for
> interactive debugging or much support for navigating large programs.
>
> -- Walt
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:08:06 -0600
> From: Michael Jones <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [UPHPU] Which application environment is proper for
>        begining php?
> To: Scott Hill <[email protected]>
> Cc: uphpu <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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> There are more benefits to using an IDE than just being "used to Windows
> type editors".  I haven't used Windows for development for years, and I
> still use an IDE for some tasks.  It all depends on what you're doing
> with it.
>
> In Anil's case, an IDE like Aptana or Zend would likely be beneficial
> because of the autocompletion, syntax verification and highlighting.
> Others who develop professionally (like myself) find the built in SVN
> tools and project organization to be extremely helpful for large scale
> projects.  I'm still prone to edit a script with Vi, nano or pico, or
> any random text editor that happens to be available... but that's simply
> because I'm already comfortable with doing so.
>
> Starting out, it's nice to have some extra functionality at hand to give
> you hints as to where problems are in the code.  It's a lot less
> frustrating to have a line highlighted than to be trying to locate an
> error when you're unfamiliar with the code.
>
> Once you get comfortable writing in PHP, then you can experiment in
> different environments to see what works best for you.
>
> Scott Hill wrote:
> > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Kyle Waters<[email protected]>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Maybe we better get more background.  We are all assuming where you are
> >> coming from(and looks like I've over assumed, as others have noted).
>  Have
> >> you programmed before?  What languages?  Do you know html?  What are you
> >> hoping to do with PHP?  What enviroments have you used to program in the
> >> past?
> >> I used to use Blue Fish because it had button to do html tags, but I
> found
> >> I type everything by hand anyway now that I know HTML, so I switched to
> >> gedit and vim.  They both do syntax highlighting very well.  I've found
> >> little use for any ide with php, but may be others have  different
> >> experiences.
> >> Kyle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > A man after my own heart!  If you don't know Vi (Vim) and you are more
> used
> > to WIndows type editors, then check out some of the free php editors that
> > are available.  Start simple. IMHO unless you are doing some AJAX, you
> don't
> > need an IDE.  Even having said that, Firefox can tell you exactly where
> your
> > AJAX javascript booboos are.
> >
> >
> >> --
> >> Scott Hill
> >>
> >>
> >
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 Actually
 I have a few experience for java, .net and Microsoft c# technologies(I'm
not a professional).So i used to visual studio and it's environment.May be
the environment which is similar to visual studio can be a jump stage for
me.For the next,my main purpose to learn php is to create web applications
which are independent from Microsoft platform. Thanks again.

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