Hi all,
Eric Dalquist told me to ask to this mailing list about DLM in 2.6.1
(see on previous mail attached under this text).
So we plan to use DLM for our portal, but actually this feature isn't
very developed, and as there isn't plans for the final feature about DLM
we would like to help to finalize. Not immediately but this could begin
in around 3 month. But actually we need to know how it's developed, how
it will evolve, how it's managed ... We need all precision for how it's
planned to works, and how we can use it actually because we have to make
in the first type an alpha application as prototype using all feature of
uPortal 2.6... The documentation on the wiki isn't complete and seems
not up to date...
Actually I don't know all on how works the portal for DLM, but i know
that all fragments have their definition group user (audience) definite
on the dlm.xml file. Also this file is planed to not be longer used.
After i don't find where are definite all fragments how they are pushed
or pulled, is it added on the data base or ? ...
So we would like to have all acknowledgment to be able to develop a
fragment manager for DLM, and to be able to use that we our own group
manager, using group pags.
All is described under this text ;)
Thanks for all the help that you could provide us and sorry for my poor
English.
Julien.
Julien Gribonvald a écrit :
> Thanks for these responses, this help to take positions about what
> there will have to take decisions/improve/develop.
>
> For the DLM fragment manager i don't think that we will be able,
> in the first time, to develop something (but it's not me who take
> decisions), our main objective for the next three month is to
> establish a prototype with integration of some applications and
> with the management of groups. But I'm interesting to know what
> APIs we would need to work with to integrate some configurations
> of DLMs without user interfaces, in registering data's at the
> deployment, and for what was implemented DLM (the documentation
> doesn't explain that). This could be useful for us to know on what
> we could work if we have time in the next month or after the
> prototype. Also we will surely coordinate with ESUP consortium for
> that.
>
> Else do you have contacts with SCT (who/what is SCT?) ? To know if
> we could obtain informations/help/ or anything else from them ?
>
> Thanks,
> Julien.
>
> Eric Dalquist a écrit :
>> I'll do my best to answer your questions here.
>>
>> -2.6.1-ga will hopefully be released in the next week or two as I
>> get time to work on it.
>>
>> -There is no fragment manager UI for DLM in any version of
>> uPortal. I believe SCT had planned on contributing some
>> significantly updated DLM code at one point which included this
>> functionality but due to personal changes this hasn't happened
>> and there is no timeline for it happening. A feature such as a
>> fragment manager remains very compelling and I think we will see
>> one eventually but I haven't heard of such a feature being on
>> anyone's near-term roadmap to develop.
>>
>> -Are you asking about what APIs you would need to work with to
>> develop a fragment manager yourself? If so and you believe you
>> have the development resources to help please joint the
>> uportal-dev email list and we can have a discussion there about
>> how to go about implementing a fragment manager for uPortal.
>>
>> -Documentation related to dlm.xml not being used is likely from
>> the initial efforts around SCT contributing back updated DLM code
>> and is not correct at this time or in the foreseeable future.
>>
>> I hope that helps,
>> -Eric
>>
>>
>> Julien Gribonvald wrote:
>>> I don't know if you understand all but i will try to simplify
>>> all my main questions :
>>>
>>> - When do you plan to finalize the uPortal 2.6.1 version (to GA) ?
>>> - Is the Fragment Manager will be available on this version ?
>>> - Else is there a milestone plan ?
>>> - How can i find all attributes to implements something which
>>> will load my own data's replacing the Fragment Manager ?
>>> Something which could describe all interfaces used by the
>>> Fragment Manager... I would like to test this functionality
>>> without necessary a user interface.
>>>
>>> - Will the fragment owner description evolving ? or is it
>>> possible to extend it ?
>>> For the case that a user can modify different fragments for
>>> different groups (not in one audience). Actually it's establish
>>> that a ownerid is the fragment manager, but my question would
>>> describe the possibility to have a user who can manage different
>>> fragments (a relation which link a user (or group of user) with
>>> many ownerid). This case would be very interesting for us to
>>> develop, because we could find a case that a user have to manage
>>> 50 accounts of ownerid, and login/logout each times have to be
>>> eliminated.
>>>
>>> - I read somewhere that the dlm.xml file won't be longer used,
>>> could you tell me more about that ? What will replace it ? and
>>> how ?
>>>
>>> That's all questions we have for the moment ;)
>>>
>>> I hope that someone can answer, thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Julien Gribonvald
>>>
>>> Julien Gribonvald a écrit :
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm new with uPortal but I'm trying to work on it since around
>>>> 2 weeks. I'm working to establish a big application wich based
>>>> on uPortal. My work consist on studying possibilities of it...
>>>>
>>>> I have several questions about DLM, but the main part consist
>>>> on the fragment manager, not available on uPortal 2.6.1RC2 for
>>>> the moment. I would like to know if there is a deadline to
>>>> integrate it... Or when will it be available ? Else an other
>>>> case how can i do that ? It's to test possibilities, because
>>>> the actual portal with DLM isn't suitable for all integrations
>>>> that we have to do and for the management of all differents
>>>> rights.
>>>>
>>>> For the fragment manager i would like to know if it's possible
>>>> to delegate some rights, like the admin rights : give rights to
>>>> all users of one group, for exemple to establish fragments for
>>>> some users. And also i would like to know if one user could
>>>> define differents fragments for differents users...
>>>> In an exemple : in a school we have to give access to emploies,
>>>> teachers, students, parents. We would like that some emploies
>>>> could modify fragments of all emploies, all teachers, all
>>>> students and maybe parents. Same things for teachers, but only
>>>> on students and eventualy parents, but not others ... On an
>>>> other hand we would like that a teacher of one class room could
>>>> define fragments of his students, but on these ones... So we
>>>> would like to establish a hierarchie of rights with these
>>>> rights reducing in this hierarchie (sames things for the access
>>>> of some chanels that everybody can see and more if they have
>>>> the rights).
>>>> Also i would like to know if for that the user need to connect
>>>> to an other account to manage these fragments (like it's
>>>> establish on the exemples of uPortal 2.6.1 with the guest-lo
>>>> account). There is a solution in the other case, like to use
>>>> the SSO CAS to identify the user as an other one who can
>>>> manage the differents fragments, but ...
>>>>
>>>> We think that these request have their importance in this
>>>> portal, so ... If it's not implemented, you could maybe receve
>>>> some help to improve the portal in that effect.
>>>>
>>>> Actualy it's only for a prototype, but we need informations
>>>> about that to plan the evolution of the model.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> Julien Gribonvald
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