So as Eric pointed out, the two issues are actually separate. The id's serve 
two purposes. While persisting layout as a single entity would remove the need 
for so many database id's, it would not satisfy the needs of Dlm's diff 
strategy.

There may be an opportunity to separate these out in the short term, but 
ultimately Dlm needs to identify the individual bits of a layout in order to do 
it's job. Perhaps maintaining layout node identifiers would be simpler if the 
db we're not involved, but perhaps not! 

Certainly in the short term, the suggested spaceing approach would elevate some 
of the pain. 

Anyway, food for thought :-)

Anthony.  



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From: "James Wennmacher" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [uportal-dev] Re: [uportal-dev] sequential IDs in layout-fragment.xml 
files contributing to commit noise
Date: Sat, Jul 26, 2014 00:50

Hmm... great.  Could you write up a
proposal in a Jira so it can be discussed and maybe (someday)
worked on?  :-)

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On 07/25/2014 03:06 PM, Anthony Colebourne wrote:





Hi,





I always thought the long term aim was to move away from
serializing the xml across database rows?





This solution would probably work well for a long time, but
if we don't like id's then shouldn't we try to eliminate them?





Anthony. 





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Subject: [uportal-dev] sequential IDs in layout-fragment.xml
files contributing to commit noise

Date: Fri, Jul 25, 2014 22:46







+1, especially as base-10-ized by Dalquist's suggestion.





I'd only expect to see this sort of change come into master
towards 4.2 and not come into a patches branch.





I'd love to see the convention documented in a README.md
co-located with the layout-fragment.xml files it describes,
and I'd love to see an automated convention-adherence-check
included in the product test suite and executed by travis-ci
so as to avoid forgetting about the convention and regressing
in the product.





PS: This reminds me of conventions about Applesoft Basic line
numbers.













On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:56 PM, James
Wennmacher <[email protected]>
wrote:



That's a good idea.  Even simpler.  Thanks!


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On 07/25/2014 12:36 PM, Eric Dalquist
wrote:










I'd go even further and start at 100
instead of 10 to give you more space since most
layouts only have 3 levels






1

100

110
120

200

210
220















On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at
10:00 AM, James Wennmacher <[email protected]>
wrote:

Inspired by https://github.com/Jasig/uPortal/pull/392/files#r15399346,
I'll state that I've found it annoying that we
tend to have sequential #s in the IDs in the
layout-fragment.xml files.  I propose we adopt
a numbering convention that spaces the IDs out
so changes to a file generally don't
incorporate a lot of unneeded noise of
renumbering IDs throughout the rest of the xml
file.



My proposal is:



- root folder has an ID of 1

- folders under root are spaced 30 apart,
first one starting with ID=10 to allow for 2
or 3 columns

- column folders are spaced 10 apart starting
with the next sequential #

- portlets just take the next available
sequence number under their corresponding
folder



so something like (contents abbreviated to
show concept)



<layout>

<folder ID="s1">

<folder ID="s10" type="page-top">

<channel
fname="dynamic-respondr-skin" ID="n11"/>

<channel
fname="fragment-admin-exit" ID="n12"/>

</folder>

<folder ID="s40" type="customize">

<channel
fname="personalization-gallery"ID="n41"/>

</folder>

<folder ID="s70" name="Welcome"
type="regular" >

<folder ID="s71" name="Column"
type="regular">

<channel
fname="email-preview-demo" ID="n72">

<channel fname="weather"
ID="n73"/>

<channel fname="pbookmarks"
ID="n74"/>

</folder>

<folder ID="s80" name="Column"
type="regular">

<channel fname="calendar"
ID="n81"/>

</folder>

<folder ID="s90" name="Column"
type="regular">

<channel fname="other-calendar"
ID="n91"/>

</folder>

</folder>

</folder>

</layout>



This would reduce time when making manual
layout changes, and reduce the noise in some
of the commits.  We could forgo sequential
numbering altogether, but I think something
like this would strike a reasonable balance to
make it easier to avoid duplicating ID #s, and
it would reduce the confusion of new adopters
that wouldn't immediately realize that the s#s
and the n#s have to be unique within the file.
This might reduce a few stubbed toes.



Thoughts?



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