Denis = Danish, si urang denmark! jigana ieu mah lainnya. heuheu -----Original Message----- From: soni rosa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Urang Sunda] alesan nu jero kunaon sababna umat Islambendu ka karikatur-karikatur eta
yu ar welkam, mister Denis! sonirosa On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:41:10 -0500 Denis Rivard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hatur nuhun pisan kang Waluya sareng kang Soni Rosa, >kana waleran (di handapeun) nu mani menarik pisan >perkawis larangan ngadamel gambar Kanjeng Nabi. Mugi-mugi >obrolan ieu bade silih ngartoskeun kaayaan nu nuju >kajadian ayeuna. Neda dihapunten ka para wargi sanesna >bilih aya kalepatan boh nu ageung, boh nu alit dina pesen >kuring sateuacanna. > > Panginten eta larangan teh saleresna dilarang oge dina >agama samawi (Uum al-Kitab) lianna (Yahudi sareng >Nasarani), basa ngawitan dongkap agami-agami ieu, tapi >akhirna mung dina agami islam wae nu nepi ka ayeuna tetep >nurut ka eta larangan. > > Sateuacanna bangsa-bangsa nu aya di wewengkon Timur >tengah sok nyembah dewa-dewi (barahala), sanaos tos >dongkap agami samawi, aranjeuna masih tetep nyembah >patung-patung nu diibaratkeun pangeran, tibatan nyembah >Pangeran nu dipiwarang ku nabi-nabi basa harita. Teras >nabi-nabi hawatir para panganut terus-terusan nyembah >barahala, nu akhirna dijieun aturan ngalarang nyembah >barahala-barahala (gaganti pangeran). Aya conto ti agami >tiluanna tapi nu pang alusna teh nyaeta dina agami Islam. > > Ieumah ayat nu nyaritakeun larangan nyembah patung dina >kitab Perjangjian Lawas nu dianggo ku agami Yahudi sareng >Nasarani. > > 1. jaman Musa (Yahudi), perkawis sasapian emas. > Sanggeus sakitu lilana Musa henteu lungsur-lungsur ti >gunung, jalma-jalma teh karumpul ka Harun sarta miunjuk >kieu ka anjeunna, "Duka katarajang naon Juragan Musa anu >nginditkeun kuring sadaya ti Mesir teh, teu >lungsur-lungsur. Ku margi kitu kuring sadaya >pangdamelkeun hiji allah anu bakal mingpin." > Saur Harun ka maranehna, "Laanan anting-anting anu >diparake ku pamajikan, ku anak lalaki,ku anak awewe, >kumpulkeun terus bawa ka Bapa". Seug maranehna >ngalaraanan anting emasna tuluy diserenkeun ka Harun. Ku >Harun dicandak tuluy dilebur kabeh dicitak jadi hiji >sasapian emas. Ceuk jalma-jalma teh, " EH, urang Israel, >tah ieu allah urang, anu ngaluarkeun urang ti Mesir!" > Harun tuluy ngadamel hiji altar, diadegkeun hareupeun >eta sasapian emas, tuluy ngembarkeun kieu, "Isukan kudu >pesta, ngagungkeun Pangeran." Isukna isuk-isuk keneh >jalma-jalma geus rabul marawa sasatoan, sawareh keur >kurban beuleuman, sawareh deui keur dijieun dahareun >pikeun kurban panarima. Brek jalma-jalma dariuk, tuluy >pesta curak-curak nyaratu nginum, pestana robah jadi >borak-borak jeung cabul. > Pangeran nimbalan ka Musa, "Geuwat turun ayeuna keneh. >Jalma-jalma meunang ngaluarkeun ti Mesir teh marigawe >dosa, murtad ti Kami. Pituduh laku anu ceuk Kami kudu >dilakonan geus teu diparake pisan. Malah geus nyarieun >sasapian emas dicitak, disarembah, dibere kurban.(Budalan >32: 1-8). > > Lajeng aya aturanana nu pangjelasna di Pamindo 27:15 > Urang Lewi,"Sing disapa ku Allah, jelema anu nyieun arca >ku batu, kayu, atawa ku logam, seug disembah >susulumputan. Pangeran mikagiruk ka nu nyembah ka >barahala." > Katingalna bangsa Yahudi carang kawula ka eta timbalan >ti Gusti Allah kulantaran kedah disuhunkeun teu weleh ku >nabi-nabi salalawasna. > > > Katingalna bangsa Yahudi teu nurut kana parentah ti >Gusti eta, sanaos nabi-nabi teu weleh nitah kangge nurut >kana parentahNa. > > 2. Jaman Nasarani > > Panganut-panganut Nasarani nu mimiti (abad kahiji) >mindeng disiksa ku bangsa Romawi (jaman pengejaran), >kulantaran nolak milu pangnyieunkeun arca jeung >nyembahna. Tapi saatosna sababaraha abad, basa agama >Nasarani dijantenkeun agamai resmi dina karajaan Romawi >(ku kaisar Constantin, kinten-kinten abad kaopat saatos >masehi), nembongkeun seueur gambar suci rupi-rupi nu >ditampi ku Paus Leon IV (Paus jaman harita) : gambaran >jeung arca Yesus, Bunda Maria, jelema suci dll. Abad >kalima hiji pergerakan disebut Ikonoklas muncul (samacam >fanatik), kecap Ikonoklas hartosna : nu ngaruksakkeun, nu >ngalarang gambaran-gambaran eta ditembongkeun. Ti basa >harita para Ikonoklas merang tutumpesan jeung maehan >mangrebu-rebu kurban nu panuju ngaruksakkeun >gambaran-gambaran jeung arca. Akhirna, abad kasalapan, >Paus zaman harita, mangsa kaisar awewe Theodora, rubah >pikiran perkawis arca, teras para Ikonoklas nu akhirna >disiksa. Kukituna para Ikonoklas eleh teras nu meunang >perang nyaeta para Ikonodul (ikonodul hartosna : nu >nyembah arca). Janten abad ayeuna dina agama Nasarani aya >arca dimana-mana nu disembah jeung dianggap gaduh kawasa >sorangan. > > 3. Mangsa Islam > > Tungtungna memang salah sahiji ti tilu agama samawi nu >salalawasna tahan kana larangan ngadamelkeun arca kangge >disembah teh nyaeta agami Islam. Agama Islam tos satia >sama sakali ka larangan eta nu ditingalikeun kalawan >teges ti anggalna dugi ka zaman ayeuna. Akibatna eta >larangan mangrupakeun ciri leres agami Islam, kulantaran >eta oge tos sakedahna dihormatkeun. Meureun ieumah >mangrupakeun alesan nu jero kunaon sababna umat Islam >bendu ka karikatur-karikatur eta. > > Punten Kang Waluya sareng kang Soni Rosa, Upami >simkuring seueur teuing panjang ngajelaskeun perkawis >ieu. Pangemut abdi, kulantaran globalisasi, sareng >internet, sareng imigrasi nu langkung gampil ti wetan ka >kulon, panganut agami nu rupi-rupi, wargi bangsa >rupi-rupi, pangguna basa rupi-rupi, di zaman ayeuna >sakedahna nampi kana perbedaan, sakedahna ngahormati >perbedaan, sangkan tiasa hirup kalayan aman jeung damai, >sadayana kedah nampi kana faham jeung pamikiran tatanggi >nu teu sami. > > Hatur nuhun oge kana karangan perkawis musium dimana >disimpen arca Kangjeng Nabi. Ieumah mangrupa buktos yen >umat islam oge tiasa ngabentenkeun mana nu dihormatkeun >mana nu heunteu perkawis fahamna. Umat islam tiasa >ngabedakeun oge mana nu dimaklumkeun (kulantaran kangge >musium) mana nu piambekkeun kawas karikatur eta. > > Wasslamualaikum, > > ti Denis. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: waluya56 > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:00 PM > Subject: [Urang Sunda] Re: ajaran Islam nu ngalarang >gambar Rasulullah SAW > > > Haturan Pa Denis. Tah baraya aya nu naroskeun, cing >saha nu tiasa > ngajawab, kanggo nutup kapanasaran Pa Denis. Kuring oge >teu terang > pasti, ngan asa kantos ngadangu salah sahiji alesanana >kangjeng Nabi > Teu kenging di gambar teh komo didamel patung mah, bisi >engke > gambarna disembah-sembah/ dipuja-puja. Dina Islam, nu >disembah teh > sanes Kangjeng Nabi, tapi Alloh Swt. > > Alesan nu sanesna kuring teu terang. Tapi sanajan kitu, >aya oge urang > Islam nu "ngagambar" Kangjeng Nabi. Koran "Irish Times" >di Irlandia > nyebatkeun aya "image" Kangjeng Nabi sareng minantuna >Sayidina Ali di > Perpustakaan/ musium " Chester Beaaty" di Dublin >Irlandia. Gambar ieu > teh cenah ti Iran nu didamel di abad ka 14. Wartosna >diselipkeun ku > kuring di hadap ( menang copy-paste tina millis >sabeulah). > > Ceuk beja oge cenah, kantos di hiji kelenteng di >Taiwan, Kangjeng > Nabi dipatungkeun dijajarkeun sareng patung-patung >jalmi-jalmi nu > gaduh jasa di dunya ieu. Janten disembah-sembah. Ngan >cenah, saatosna > diwartosan yen kangjeng Nabi mah teu kenging didamel >patung, "patung" > kangjeng Nabi teh teu dipasang deui. > > Punten ...ah "nyanyahoanan", atuda mani jarempling kieu >..... > > Baktos, > WALUYA > > Wartos tina koran Irlandia tea : > > Images of Muhammad on display in Chester Beatty > 04/02/2006 > > > Depictions of the Prophet Muhammad are on display at >the Chester > Beatty Library > in Dublin, home to one of Europe's best collections of >Islamic > manuscripts. > Kitty Holland reports > > > The museum director says that although images of >Muhammad are > considered > blasphemous by most Muslims, the museum shows several >miniatures, > particularly > in manuscripts by Sufi Muslims from the Persian Empire. > > Michael Ryan said the Chester Beatty was "discreet" >when displaying > texts or > manuscripts featuring images of Muhammad which show his >face > obscured, either > with a veil or by a bright light or a halo. > > "Some have voiced concerns about the texts. But we >regard these as > historical > documents, though when they are on display we don't >shout about it. > We try to be > discreet," Mr Ryan said. > > The Imam of the Islamic Foundation of Ireland, Sheikh >Yayha Al > Hussein, said he > had written to the library "a few years ago to tell >them it was > wrong". > > "But generally these are images done a long time ago by >other > Muslims", he > added. "We don't want to protest to the Irish museum >about it now, > but they > wouldn't be shown in a museum in a Muslim country." > > One manuscript depicts Muhammad and his son-in-law, >Ali. The image, > Ali Taking > The Fortress of Qamus, is taken from a copy of The >Realm of Purity by > Rawzat > al-Safa and was completed in Shiraz, Iran, in AD 1595. >The > explanatory note > beside it in the museum states: "He [ Muhammad] and Ali >are easily > identified by > the flaming haloes that engulf their heads." > > Mr Ryan said: "The representation of the human form, >and even more so > of > prophets and especially of Muhammad is considered >blasphemous by most > Muslims. > The Sunni Muslims in particular find the idea of an >image depicting > Muhammad > extremely difficult." Some 90 per cent of Muslims are >Sunni. > > Also on display in the museum is Scene From the Story >of Miqdad ibn > Aswad - a > Turkish and Arabic text dated AD 1594-95. "This >manuscript is highly > unusual in > that it originally contained over 800 miniatures most >of which > portray the > prophet Muhammad," says the accompanying explanatory >note. > > Summayah Kenna, spokeswoman for the Islamic Cultural >Centre in > Clonskeagh, > Dublin, said the centre would not consider protesting >over the > displays. "We > appreciate the work of the Chester Beatty. We would >just ignore those > images if > we went to to the Library." > > Meanwhile, at a press conference in Dublin yesterday, >Sheikh Yayha Al > Hussein > joined Dr Nooh Al Kaddo, executive director of the >Islamic Cultural > Centre of > Ireland, and Sheikh Hussein Halawa, Imam of the Islamic >Cultural > Centre of > Ireland, in condemning cartoons in European newspapers >depicting the > prophet > with bombs. > > Muslims here have been "extremely offended" by the >cartoons and saw > them as "an > attack on our prophet, an attack on our faith". > > © The Irish Times > > > > --- In [email protected], Denis Rivard ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Assalamu alaikum, > > > > > > Hatur nuhun, Pa Teddy , kana nyndirna isu tadina, >simkuring meuni > panasaran ge : > > > > 1.-Naha aya larangan imeut dina ajaran Islam nu >ngalarang gambar > Rasulullah SAW? > > 2.-Larangan eta pupucukna tina ayat dina Alkitab >atawa aya sumber > nu sanesna? > > 2.-Upami kitu, kunaon? Aya pedaran dina sajarah umat >Islam? > > 3.-Larangan eta lain bae ngeunaan ngagambarkanana >tapi ningalina > oge? > > 4.-Kapir-kapir tina agami nu sanesna kedah nurutkeun >kana ajaran > Islam henteu? contona larangan ngeunaan gambaran nabi? > > 5.-Larangan eta mung ngeunaan Rasul SAW atawa >ngeunaan saban nabi, > contona Yesahah, Yesus? > > > > Hatur nuhun sateuacanan, Pa Denis, ka sadayana nu >uninga jawaban > kana patelakan kuring. > > > > P.S. Simkuring panuju sareng Pa Teddy : gambaran eta >teh bolon wae > > > > > > > > > Komunitas Urang Sunda --> http://www.Urang-Sunda.or.id > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Corporate culture Business culture of >china Organizational culture > Organizational culture change Jewish culture > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "urangsunda" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email >to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! 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