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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jalak Pakuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Sae tah pamendak teh Kang, nu jadi masalah sakur organisasi,
> ormas/partai sangem moal nya nerapkeun & mraktekeun?
>
>
> Makarya Mawa Raharja
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Dirgahayu, Rachman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 6:58:02 PM
> Subject: RE: H (AM) bisa ngaruksak Pancasila Re: [Urang Sunda] Re: Kiai di
> gebugan FPI! - Perang Kepentingan!
>
>  Lamun nurutkeun akal sareng nafsu manungsa  mah riweuh,
> kudu balik/nganggo kana aturan sang pencipta manusia / Al Khaliq.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:urangsunda@ yahoogroups. com]*On
> Behalf Of *Jalak Pakuan
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:27 AM
> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> *Subject:* Re: H (AM) bisa ngaruksak Pancasila Re: [Urang Sunda] Re: Kiai
> digebugan FPI! - Perang Kepentingan!
>
>   ceuk tukang al kohol pan mabok teh hak asasi batur
> ceuk pengusaha diskotik pan hak asasi make tempat keur esek-esek
> ceuk tukang lacur jeung germo pan hak asasi ngalakukeun zinah
> ceuk FPI oge HAK asasi digebugan... .
>
> aeh memang jadi lieur lamun ngan nyabeulah ngahareupkeun HAK tanpa
> disaimbangkeun jeung KAWAJIBAN
>
> Makarya Mawa Raharja
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Urang Sunda Hudang Euyyy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 2:12:59 AM
> Subject: Re: H (AM) bisa ngaruksak Pancasila Re: [Urang Sunda] Re: Kiai
> digebugan FPI! - Perang Kepentingan!
>
>  ceuk tukang al kohol pan Hak asasi kuring jualan alkohol
> ceuk pengusaha diskotik hak kuring usaha dikoti
> ceuk tukang lacur jeung germo hak asasi kuring ngalacurkeun diri
>
> tah tinggal mun HAM nu jadi angkeuhan
> ceuk FPI oge HAK asasi FPI ngagebuk musuhna...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:28 PM, armandria udaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com<[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
>
>>   Kunaon Pancasila bisa rusak.Pami teu lepat tos lami rusakna teh.
>> Sapangartos abdi, Pancasila teh hasil kesepakatan para sepuh urang nu beda
>> - beda agamana.Nya jantenna eta sila Ka Hiji "KETUHANAN YANG MAHA ESA".
>>
>> Tah nepi ka ayeuna abdi teu ngarti keneh wae. Naha gening di Nagara
>> Pancasila nu cenah berdasarkan KETUHANAN bet aya diskotik nungajual
>> alkohol.Aya Pelacuran di Panti Pijat. Pornoaksi dina TV. .Kantos aya
>> perjudian deuih!!!.
>>
>> Bulak balik abdi maca Quran, Perjanjian Lama, Perjanjian Baru.Ngobrol
>> jeung Pendeta Konghucu, Budha, Hindu. Geningan teu aya hiji oge agama nu
>> ngahalalkeun Diskotik, Alkohol, Pelacuran, Perjudian, Pornografi.
>>
>> Ah Lieur abdi mah.Pantesan Indonesia rusak.Da unggal poe NIPU TUHAN.
>>
>>
>> *H Surtiwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>* wrote:
>>
>>  Leresnya...KAM mah diomongkeun ge henteu..saolah urang teh teu boga
>> kawajiban... padahal ceuk elmu kasaimbangn supados hirup aya niley..cenah
>> Hak sareng Kawajiban teh kedah saimbang...atanapi teu aya HAK lamun teu aya
>> KAWAJIBAN... meureun.. .nya ?
>>
>> On 6/4/08, Urang Sunda Hudang Euyyy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com<[EMAIL 
>> PROTECTED]>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Leres kang pan PANCASILA tos di Gantos Ku HAM jeung DEMOKRASI PULARIS
>>> jadi wadul pisa mun urang HAM ngaku ngaku membela PANCASILA
>>> dan HAM = Hak Asasi Manusia ---> ari Kawajiban Asasi Manusia na mana?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Jalak Pakuan <jalakpakuan@ yahoo.com<[EMAIL 
>>> PROTECTED]>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>     Kabablasan.. .kabablasan. ..ayeuna ku bandera demokrasi jadi
>>>> leuwih loba nu miheulakeun hak batan kawajiban. Saeutik saeutik hak,
>>>> sakeudeung sakeudeung hak. Lamun miheulakeun hak batan kawajiban pastina
>>>> dol, dol, dol, pegat jalur komunikasi. Kabeh miheulakeun hak ti buruh,
>>>> pagawe, pangusaha jste. Lamun geus kitu moal aya musyawarah jeung 
>>>> tungtungna
>>>> moal aya mufakat. Lamun kitu mah hakekatna geus euweuh pancasila teh. 
>>>> Janten
>>>> cespleng eta patarosan... .naon tujuan aranjeun teh?
>>>>
>>>> cag
>>>> Makarya Mawa Raharja
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: H Surtiwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 4:47:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Urang Sunda] Re: Kiai digebugan FPI! - Perang Kepentingan!
>>>>
>>>>  Tos kabuktos nya bangsa urang mah "Not me !"..sanes "Pardon me !"
>>>> atanapi "Excuse me!"........ ...Saha nu mawa pestol ? Not me ! saha nu
>>>> ngagebugan ? Not me ! Lucuna Penyiar TV One oge mihak....unggal habieb
>>>> Riziek ngomong berusaha dipotong..tapi ari Kang Maman.nyarios mani
>>>> ngagolontror. ..Iraha dewasa na ? naon tujuan aranjeun teh !?
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/08, taso komiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Punten ka Kang Abu Kasya,
>>>>> Abdi mung ninggal tina inklusivitas masjid nu biasana. Pan urang teh
>>>>> dimana aya masjid sok blus we ngiring sholat, lamun keur aya dina 
>>>>> perjalanan
>>>>> teh. Cenah masjid Ahmadiyah mah ngan ukur keur maranehna hungkul
>>>>> (ekslusive). Sholat embung bareng jeung urang cenah. Komo jadi ma'mum mah
>>>>> embungeun pisan. Duka tah, naha leres eta teh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tahh.... ayeuna mah abdi rek curhat alias ngucurkeun eusi hate nu keur
>>>>> sedih
>>>>> sanggeus ninggali 'talk-show' di TVOne anu bentang-bentangna teh Habib
>>>>> Rizieq, Ust. Maman, jeung potongan pernyataan Gus Dur.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sedih lantaran gening tetela maranehna mah mikiran kapentingan
>>>>> marenehna wungkul. Lain kapentingan makro/bangsa. Ceuk Habib Rizieq, 
>>>>> laskar
>>>>> FPI Jawa Barat bergerak ke Cirebon karena kantor FPI di serang, plangnya
>>>>> dirobohkan, dll. oleh masyarakat/ormas tertentu. Kata Ust. Maman oh saya
>>>>> tidak tahu, saya sedang di RS. Hallooo... ini jaman IT tukang becak aja
>>>>> punya hp masa pemimpin pasantren nteu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sedih....., lantaran eta nonoman teu ngamangpaatkeun momentum tampil di
>>>>> TV nasional keur mareuman bibit seuneu nu mulai hurung. Ngadon ngadu
>>>>> argumentasi urang nu pangbeuneurna. Sedih euy...., era ku umat nu lian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kitu deuih ninggali Habib Riziek v.s. Gus Dur ngadon pasirik-sirik.
>>>>> Ceuk Gus Dur :FPI organisasi bajingan, bubarkan saja. Ceuk Habib Rizieq: 
>>>>> Gus
>>>>> Dur buta mata, buta hati, antek yahudi.
>>>>> Gusti.... kalakuan.... ..!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tatang S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Mon, 6/2/08, armandria udaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com<[EMAIL 
>>>>> PROTECTED]>
>>>>> >* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: armandria udaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Urang Sunda] Re: Kiai digebugan FPI! - Perang
>>>>> Kepentingan!
>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com <[email protected]>
>>>>> Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 9:56 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>  Aduh meni sedih ngadanguna.Matakna panginten ari diajar agama islam
>>>>> teh gening kedah langsung ti junjungan nabi suci s.a.w, ti para sahabat 
>>>>> r.a,
>>>>> ti para mursyid nu dipercanten ku manah. Sanes ti urang arab oge sanes ti
>>>>> turunan wali songo.Komo ti Yahudi mah.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Abu Kasya <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Ulah nyakompet daunkeun kang....
>>>>>
>>>>> beda kasus na, NU muhamadiyah mah ngan organisasi.. ..
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmadiyah mah ALIRAN SESAT !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Juama'ahan kamari khotib na ngabahas kasesatan AHMADIYAH... .geus jelas
>>>>> NYATA KASESATAN NA....
>>>>> kuring ningali langsung kitab suci ahmadiyah, ternyata Alquran nu suci
>>>>> teh loba di robah di ajaran ahmadiyah, ayat na loba nu di tambahan loba nu
>>>>> di tambahan tergantung kabutuhan Mirza gulam ahmad.
>>>>> Salain eta Mirza gulam ahmad teh ngaku meunang wahyu tina ngimpi, nu di
>>>>> kumpulkeun dina kitab tadzkiroh...
>>>>>
>>>>> ancur pisan pokokna mah....
>>>>>
>>>>> syahadat, bunyi na sarua, tapi pengakuan karasulan na lain ka nabi
>>>>> Muhammad, tapi ka Ahmad ( mirza gulam ahmad )....
>>>>>
>>>>> panjang mun dicaritakeun mah......
>>>>>
>>>>> naha nu kieu rek di antep ?
>>>>>
>>>>> kuring ge teu panuju ari penyelesaian ku cara anarkis mah....
>>>>>
>>>>> mangga nu berwenang bereskeun tah......... ......... .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/08, taso1009 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Geuning kituh baraya, perang teh can keneh aya nu jadi 'pemenang'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nu kahiji (Hitzbuttahrir yang disusupi FPI) make isu "menolak kenaikan
>>>>>> BBM"
>>>>>> Nu kadua Aliansi Kebangsaan make isu "memperingati hari lahir
>>>>>> Pancasila"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Padahal nu kahiji (FPI) geus niat rek ngagebug aliansi nu puguh rek
>>>>>> ngabela Ahmadiyah make agenda kebebasan beragama.
>>>>>> Hoyah... rame...!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Urang tingali we tung-tungna: naha bakal aya masjid NU, Masjid
>>>>>> Muhammadiyah jeung aya masjid Ahmadiyah.
>>>>>> Siga urang Karesten aya gereja Baptis, Advent, jrrd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cing tah....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tatang S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com <urangsunda%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>>>>> "Waluya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Tadi sore cenah, di Monas aya kagiatan lahirna Pancasila (1 Juni).
>>>>>> Aya
>>>>>> > kolompok nu ngiluan nu meperjuangkeun kabebasan beragama di
>>>>>> Indonesia. Eh
>>>>>> > ari pek teh diserebu ku FPI terus digebugan. Aya 12 urang nu dibawa
>>>>>> ka Rumah
>>>>>> > Sakit. Cek dina detikcom, salah saurang nu digebugan teh Kiai
>>>>>> Maman*). Kiai
>>>>>> > Maman tepi ka kapaehan. Oge kabejakeun Mohammad Guntur Romli nu
>>>>>> tulisanana
>>>>>> > loba nyebar di Internet. Gus Dur oge ampir-ampiran da arek datang,
>>>>>> untung
>>>>>> > ditelepon ku istrina.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Anehna pulisi ngantep, cenah alesanna tinimbang "memperkeruh
>>>>>> suasana". Alah
>>>>>> > .... kumaha ieu teh Pa Pulisi, nu digebugan ku FPI teh Kiai, nu
>>>>>> sarua boga
>>>>>> > massa. Komo lamun tepi ka Gus Dur dirogahala mah bisa-bisa
>>>>>> awut-awutan ieu
>>>>>> > nagara, sabab masa pendukungna lain saeutik, jutaan. Kumaha lamun
>>>>>> ngamuk?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Atawa ngahaja kitu supaya soal BBM repeh? Teuing atuh, beuki teu
>>>>>> ngarti
>>>>>> > kuring mah ieu nagara rek dibawa kamana ....
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > *) Di daerah Jatiwangi Majalengka aya Kiai kasohor, namina Kiai
>>>>>> Maman.
>>>>>> > Ngora keneh, kuring kungsi ngadengekeun khotbahna basa adi kuring
>>>>>> arek naek
>>>>>> > Haji. Khotbahna sae matak "tiis ceuli herang mata". Naha Kiai Maman
>>>>>> anu ieu
>>>>>> > kitu?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Baktos,
>>>>>> > WALUYA
>>>>>> > [Hayang pindah nagara euy .....]
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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