Alan Horkan wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Matthew Thomas wrote: > > > > > I would like the possiblity of putting a toolbar (icons only) > > > alongside the menubar, a space which is usually wasted. That > > > functionality would necessitate including a handle on menubars. > > > > No, that function would need only a handle on the toolbars. The menu > > bar isn't going anywhere, it's just shrinking horizontally. > > I assume that was a typo and you are suggestion this case would _not_ > need a handle.
I said it "would need only a handle on the toolbars". I should have said it "would need handles only on the toolbars". Sorry for the confusion.
> To nit pick your nit pick if you are going to have the feature at all > you cannot assume that people wont want to move the menubar on either > side.
But I can, and do, assume that people can achieve that by dragging the toolbars to where they want relative to the menu bar, without dragging the menu bar itself.
> The latest version of Netscape puts the menubar on the right hand > side, >...
Which I could achieve, for example, by dragging the toolbar to the left edge of the menu bar.
>... > I'm not against the idea of turning this Customisability off by > defualt (a small discovery penalty I think is worth paying). >... > > A better solution would be to get rid of the handles, and make the > > entire toolbar draggable when the Alt key was held down. > > > > That would make rearrangement similarly difficult to do > > accidentally, but would also make it easier to do when you really > > did want to do it, because the target area would be the entire > > toolbar instead of a tiny handle. >... > I expect this suggestion could be incorporated into any larger plan > but I had exactly the same concerns about discoverability as David > Christian Berg >...
Regardless of whether rearrangable toolbars are worthwhile at all, I think it's odd to be concerned about the discoverability of Alt+drag, but to be okay with the discoverability of the feature being completely "off by default".
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