On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 17:29 +0200, Kalle Vahlman wrote: > On 12/17/05, Estradin Solaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > All the community can do as a group of people is to point out that we > > > need a change, express what's been wrong and what is the range of > > > acceptable solutions and let some individual take the lead and make it > > > so. > > > > I can't agree with that. You seem to suggest that ultimately only an > > individual can take decisions. > > I did say "an individual or a small team" earlier, and meant the same > here though I failed to mention it implicitly... > > > I believe that a more community driven > > decision making process can be made: commissions. > > This is basically what I said, a community can't make the decision so > a self-formed comission is needed to make the decision (sometimes it > just is a one-member comission). > > > I will use > > parliaments as an example, and since I am spanish, I will use the > > parliament of Spain, although most parliaments in contintental Europe > > work in a similar way. There are 350 members of the parliament. The > > power ultimately resides in them, but the decision making very rarely > > lays upon the 350 MPs. > > > Commissions are set up, so small groups can > > discuss and plan, and then they ask for the assent of the rest of the > > members. Thus, the decision is taken by all 350 MPs, but only 10 or 12 > > actually worked in the decision. > > Yes, and this is pretty much what I meant. The 350 MPs need to decide > yes or no, but it needs an individual or a small team to chew out what > is good. > > > How does this apply to any open-source project, not just Gnome? Well, > > it's easy. There's a community, made up of users, programmers and > > 'group-members' such as us. The groups are open, and anyone who wants > > to become part of one can actually do it. That makes decision making > > within the groups rather difficult. If 10 members of the group would > > commit themselves to drafting the proposals, and then submit them to > > the group for approval, the decision would be legitimate, since it > > would have been approved by a majority (or a plurality) of group > > members, while it would be feasible, since the working group would be > > made up of 10 members. That is a quite workable group. > > This is what happens in GNOME all the time. Someone comes up with > stuff, plans it (possibly with a bunch of guys), implements it and > brings it to discussion. If there is a consensus that it is good, it > gets in after the blessing of the maintainer. > > The problems come when someone thinks about stuff, brings it to > discussion and everybody just talks about it without implementing > anything, usually with the excuse of not wanting to do work that might > be rejected. So there is nothing specific to decide on for the > community, it is all just chit-chat and a yes/no decision can not be > made (thus rendering the community unable to decide). After a while > people get furstrated and blame the project for lacking leadership > (which is a common feature of OSS communities, not really a bug in > them). > > So you want something decided, bring something to decide on (in yes/no > form) to the table.
Great this sound good. Do you all think that gnome should have labels with out a frame just letters and an icon? And do you think that labels should show up in the right top corner of the desktop? Do you think that a translucent box/frame would be better then no frame at all? And last do you think that the icon should be included in the label? Josue Frade > > Simple as that. > > If you start formalizing the process, it loses interest for a lot of > people, will need workforce to maintain the byrocracy overhead and > will slow everything down. This is a big broblem in the corporate > world. > > -- > Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Powered by http://movial.fi > Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi > _______________________________________________ > Usability mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability > _______________________________________________ Usability mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability
