Thanks Jacque, I did that of course, same result. I forgot that there is a way 
of doing this using Navigator, by starting a drag on the group in Navigator, 
THEN pressing the option key, and dropping it where you want it. If you start 
with the option key it clones it instead. DOH! 

If you purchase Navigator for nothing else, purchase it for this! Very nifty. 

Bob S

> On Mar 14, 2019, at 11:12 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The default is as you'd expect, relayerGroupedControls is false. The 
> dictionary doesn't say it, but I believe the property is persistent until you 
> turn it off or restart LC. So set it to false and try again.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay


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