Time to learn Swift and SwiftUI Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Richmond via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > A plastic bath-toy that dumbs everything down for the fashionistas and rich, > slack-jawed morons. > > Vrey sad indeed. > >> On 23.06.20 22:36, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote: >> Got really depressed watching the presentation. >> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:22 Paul Dupuis via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>> We make and sell a desktop application (Windows and macOS) for a niche >>> research market. I expect when Apple does their migration to a common >>> processor and OS, Apple Developer's will have to go through all of Apple >>> hoops for all their platforms.Most of our customer don't care about UI >>> widget animations. They want the app to do certain functions and do them >>> well and quickly to work with their data. As long as the UI is >>> effective, whether it conforms precisely to Microsoft or Apple UI >>> guidelines is secondary. So, even if you only care about desktops, your >>> app will have to be sold through Apple's single App Store, conform to >>> all screen sizes on all their devices, and follow all their UI >>> guidelines, etc. >>> >>> At that point, given that Windows is 2/3rd of our market and macOS >>> 1/3rd, we'll drop support for macOS sadly. I say sadly because our >>> application originated way back in the late 1980 as a HyperCard App for >>> MacOS. >>> >>> But, to your point, your concern IS valid for those people wanting Apps >>> from you that they insist MUST conform to all of Apple's esoteric >>> requirements. It is likely it will become increasingly harder for the >>> LiveCode ideal of develop once and deploy everywhere. >>> >>> >>> On 6/23/2020 2:56 PM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode wrote: >>>> This year’s WWDC shows Apple is moving to a unified ‘system' for all >>> their products: Mac, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AppleTV. >>>> The Apple development environment promises to produce a single app >>> capable of running on all, or almost all, of Apple devices. This >>> unification promises to be quite convenient for Apple developers. >>>> In contrast, over the last decade or so there has been an ever >>> increasing divergence in UX between major operating systems: Apple, >>> Windows, Linux, Android. The days when systems were so similar that you >>> could rely on the commonality of a handful of UI elements across platforms >>> seems over to me. That’s troubling because such commonality is fundamental >>> to LiveCode’s approach - write once, run everywhere. >>>> In watching WWDC sessions it’s pretty clear that even simple UI elements >>> have become more like UX elements having intrinsic and complex properties, >>> such as certain visual and behavioral animations. Users readily learn to >>> expect these behaviors. Yet such things are increasing difficult to fake >>> with LiveCode’s basic palette of objects. >>>> Enter LiveCode Builder and LC Widgets. They offer the promise of >>> platform-specific UI elements - a promise fulfilled with some simple >>> elements like iOS Native Button or Android Native Field. But I’m concerned >>> that as platforms diverge in the interface experiences they present to >>> users, that LC and LC developers will have difficulty satisfying users' >>> divergent expectations. >>>> Is my concern valid? >>>> >>>> Jim Lambert >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode