Hi Sean & Richmond,
I think it is best to only support LTS versions and just one desktop
(Gnome). This will standardize the platform a bit (Hey, I don't want to
start a flame, I'm just saying that Gnome and Ubuntu / Debian are the
most used).
The problem with LINUX is the sheer number of different desktops and
configurations out there.
A small company like Livecode cannot be pretended to support all of
these variations.
I believe that if Debian LTS is supported, Ubuntu will automatically be
supported. Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian, so theoretically they
should be compatible. With the death of CENTOS there will be a massive
migration of people to other distros (like us) and I think Debian and
Ubuntu will be the winners.
However, it is true that many certified hardware and many government
platforms only support RedHat / CENTOS. Especially those in which you
have to comply with certifications and bureaucratic regulations.
So escaping from IBM is not an option for a big-medium size business.
I only code in Livecode with Linux. Honestly, one of the reasons that
led me to choose Livecode over other solutions was its Linux support.
Best,
Hery
On 12/14/20 8:19 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
Hi Richmond,
You're probably right. However, with security issues constantly needing
keeping up to date with, it's probably worth working out if it is worth
supporting Linux at all, then. If they, LC, feel it 'is' worth supporting
Linux, it is surely, then, essential to keep up with these latest versions
to help their customers avoid security issues.
That, I guess, is an issue in of itself. It is remarkable LC is as well
supporting of newish OS's as it is, particularly MacOS and Win10, keeping
security by encryption and TLS, etc, up to date. Linux is a wayward child,
however. Difficult to keep on top off. Even though their update cycles are
not as frequent as Win/Mac.
Thanks
Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:14, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
"I wonder why LC don’t state support for later Ubuntu, Fedora or Debian
builds?"
I suspect that LiveCode believes that the uptake of the Linux version is
insufficient to justify the effort of testing LC on those platforms.
Richmond.
On 14.12.20 2:20, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
Thanks all. These insights are useful. Hery’s explanation of their
choice to move to Debian provides a good argument. I had just tried Ubuntu
20.04 in a parallels virtual machine and my server app worked ok. I will
try a Debian build too. I wonder why LC don’t state support for later
Ubuntu, Fedora or Debian builds?
Sean Cole
Pi Digital
On 13 Dec 2020, at 19:27, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
Hi Sean,
I've been using LiveCode on Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 for years (Servers
and Desktops) and it worked fine. A years ago we migrated everything to
CentOS / RedHat and Fedora (development machines and servers). However, we
are going to migrate everything to Debian.
Debian is very stable and offers the same user experience on Laptops,
Workstations and Servers.
Ubuntu is a good system, but after the drift from CentOS with IBM I
don't want to put the heart of our systems in the hands of any big company.
What would happen if tomorrow Ubuntu is acquired by Microsoft and they
decide to charge money for it? That's not the case with Debian: Debian is
completely independent and rock solid.
I live between Madrid and New York and in both cities there are good
professional companies who offer commercial technical support for Debian,
so you don't need any big and greedy corps getting their hands on your IT
systems.
Best,
Hery
On 12/13/20 12:40 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
Hi all,
I just heard the news that RedHat is going to be dropping support for
CentOS. With my recent issues with PDF Printing in CentOS, I was
already
looking to perhaps try out CentOS8 or another Dist. but now we have
this
news I'm thinking of going to Ubuntu.
The release notes for LC says it supports Ubuntu 16.04, which is cool.
But
I notice my server host says they have 16.04, 18.04, 20.04 and 20.10.
Is
anyone out there running LC on one of these later builds of Ubuntu? I'd
like to hear your thoughts. Or maybe I should be looking at Fedora.
All the very best
Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *
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