Concerning hosting, in my case when I initially developed the database for my 
application, it was hosted on the Livecode servers. When the owner of the 
company found out he had me take it down because he didn’t want company data on 
servers he did not own / control. That is probably going to be an issue that 
crops up with more developers using your hosting services.

Bob S

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On Jul 26, 2024, at 3:45 AM, Kevin Miller via use-livecode 
<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

The Internal apps model (for people building apps for use within their own 
organization) has gone over well in many cases. However I think there is 
perhaps a bit of a split between those who want to use the new Cloud hosting 
and data back end and those that don't want to use it, either because you have 
your own data back end or because you are creating smaller utilities that don't 
use data. Looking at the market as a whole and including new users, we've 
spoken to hundreds of people who do want to use the back end and the model and 
it is sitting pretty well for that group. For those of you that don't, my 
question is whether we have the volume discounting correct or whether we want 
to introduce a lower cost model at scale for that specific group.

I'm not talking about changing the per-seat-for-commercial-end-users model, 
we're confident that's the right way forward. Our entire IP is in each 
standalone, and we have to scale with the value we create to have a successful 
business. We've learned that in our 20 years of history and the feedback this 
week has been ok on this point overall. I'm also not talking about changing 
costs for smaller numbers of seats. The question is whether we as a business 
want to also serve a segment without the Cloud hosting, at a better volume 
discount for higher seat numbers.

This is a harder question than it looks, because so much of the benefit from 
the new platform comes from the new data back end. Giving new users a choice 
early in the process complicates their initial journey with us and potentially 
creates a confusing decision around one of the best new capabilities. It also 
has an impact on product engineering and the decisions we take there. On the 
other hand we want the platform to go on being practical for as many of you as 
possible. We appreciate your support over the years and this remains very 
important to us. There is a subset of you who are clearly not going to use the 
Cloud and for whom the new Internal model is presenting a challenge at scale. 
We will be reflecting on this question in the coming days.
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