This conversation is cheering me up - it seems to show that, however glacially, 
movement does take place in the complex interactions between publishing, rights 
and technology. I for one would certainly like to know (as a consumer) when 
some of this stuff comes back to life, as you put it.

Graham

PS I have actually found my copy of the Warner New Media Beethoven CD-ROM. I 
see it was written by Cynthia Wall. Must have been a heck of a lot of work.

On 4 Jan 2013, at 00:35, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:

> I confess to being the producer/designer of the Mozart "Dissonant" Quartet 
> CD-ROM back in the day. Colin and my stays at Voyager overlapped for a time.
> 
> Robert Winter, the author of the program had the foresight to retain rights 
> to the content. I work with him at UCLA and we have been working to 
> re-release the programs as circumstances allow.
> 
> Another version of one, Dvorak's "New World" Symphony, has been out for a 
> while. I programmed it in iShell, and have intentions to convert it to RunRev:
>       http://www.artsinteractive.org
> 
> The issue of intellectual rights is a great discussion. It's important to 
> note that copyrights do expire at some point....
> 
> In our case the issues were a personal one that I can't get into, and the 
> difficulty with licensing the recorded music that is a critical part of the 
> program. We're happy to have now worked out a deal with major recording 
> company and are on a trajectory to bringing back this stuff to life.
> 
> Also, a major holdup with a lot of the material in the past was the 
> difficulty with distribution. Voyager was always bedeviled by it. Where did 
> you sell these physical products in the pre-Internet days? Software stores 
> charged for shelf space and no other brick and mortar really carried much. So 
> sales were mostly catalog/mail order to libraries, and individuals who 
> happened to find out about them.
> 
> Of course, that has all now changed.
> 
> And, I am happy to be now using RunRev to accomplish the cross-platform 
> things we couldn't do in the misty past, as well as entering the mobile world.
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff
> UCLA
> 
> On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Somewhere in the Attic of my house in Scotland there is a voyager CD of 
>> something to do with music by Mozart, and as
>> far as I remember, it was rather good stuff; and, luckily, in the attic 
>> there are 5 Macs that can cope with it - the best being
>> a 5200 something; and, down the stairs there are 3 iMacs slot-loading all 
>> running Mac OS 9. I hope to get over there in the Summer
>> and arrange for quite a bit of that stuff to be transported to Bulgaria 
>> (especially my dear BBC Master).
>> 
>> Now, I don't know who produced the Mozart CD, but I would be quite prepared 
>> to buy a version that functioned on a contemporary OS,
>> say Debian derivative linux!
>> 
>> I really wonder if the chap who wrote the software and had the idea realises 
>> that with a small amount of effort s/he could
>> re-jig the thing for the current market. However s/he doesn't stand a chance 
>> if some middle-man (publisher) is sitting on the
>> thing and won't let her/him do that.
>> 
> 
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