As a past master of unacceptable language, while the Livecode people may
seem a bit
"opaque" at times, I certainly have never (over a period of some 15
years) seen any evidence
that they have deliberately cheated anyone. I do think that they are not
the best people in
the world at explaining how their licensing works, nor how they think
their way through some
of the other stuff they dish out to end-users: that is NOT cheating
anyone; that is the plain and
simple fact that as they are rather good computer people and produce a
rather good programming
platform they aren't necessarily that good at PR.
Nor have I heard of any version of Livecode issued initially with a
"forever" licence suddenly
stopping working because the company have changed their licensing model.
I use both Livecode (a.k.a. 'Runtime Revolution') 4.0 and 4.5 on both
Linux and a G5 PPC Macintosh running Mac OS 10.4 and 10.5 (dual boot).
Their licences haven't suddenly gone "pop" because
later versions of Livecode have time-limited licences.
One of the best ways to avoid getting confused about licencing issues is
to turn on your computer (!)
and see if your Commercial version whose licence you seem to be fussed
about can still crank out standalones . . . If it can, you're doing
fine; if it can't you probably have to send some money to the company.
If it can't produce standalones (meaning your time-limited licence has
expired) make sure that when you pay your next lump you get the Livecode
people to let you know how long the next licensing 'chunk' lasts and
write that date somewhere easy to see; such as on the wall behind your
computer!
Another way to avoid getting confused about licencing issues is to use
the Community version: because
the LIvecode people have, very kindly indeed (!!!!) let us all have FREE
versions we can use, play and develop with forever and ever without end
(or at least until our computers go 'bang').
On 1.03.2016 19:34, Kevin Miller wrote:
Your language is completely unacceptable on this list.
I find in life it is generally far more productive and and conducive to
pleasant stress-free living to assume another party does not have negative
intentions unless proven otherwise. I do not believe in our long years of
history we have given you evidence that supports the idea that we take
away rights of customers after the fact. And I do not believe you are
privy to the conversation that has taken place between support and this
customer.
I¹ve reviewed the thread between Heather and Wilhelm and I can see that no
such withdrawal of rights after the fact has taken place. Wilhelm simply
does not yet appear to fully understand the extensive explanation that
Heather supplied. Perhaps we can improve the way we communicate these
complexities in the future.
Ta-Da! What did I write at the top of the page?
Richmond.
This list is definitely not the place to discuss this. I¹m sure Heather
and Wilhelm will reach a point of understanding through normal channels.
And in the mean time I would expect no repeat of this sort of language
here.
Kind regards,
Kevin
Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
On 01/03/2016 17:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D"
<use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de> wrote:
This view is not being supported by "Livecode Support". They claim that
since the licensing scheme changed to "subscription" in April 2013, my
perpetual license at that time was somehow affected and mutated to
subscription style, too, as it were "on the fly". I was never informed
about such a change during the Kickstarter campaign and I doubt that
such a silent change could be legally justified.
Sorry for that expression, but if that is the view of the support team ,
then that is bullshit. If you bought a perpetual license, then this
license allows you to use at least the version that was current at the
time when you purchased that license for ever. There was also the
possibility to purchase an ³additional year of upgrades². All new
released versions within that year were added to your license. That might
be the reason why your perpetual license in your account shows the range
4.5.x to 6.1.0.
I am not a lawyer, but i am pretty sure they cannot change your perpetual
license to a subscription license without your confirmation and without
any notification.
I am confident that they will find a satisfying solution for you. I´ve
had always good experiences with them discussing license questions.
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