On 20.03.2016 16:43, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Richmond wrote:
Hence my recent suggestion that they could be moved to the bottom
of the revTools palette rather than the top.
The core team says Widgets should be at the top. You say they should
be at the bottom.
I wonder why the core team has decided to put them at the top?
If the reason is to bring our attention to them, then it succeeds very
well indeed.
I wonder:
Why are controls grouped by implementation method?
Why should that matter to the user?
That's certainly a thought . . . . http://ergodex.com/mainpage.htm
If Widgets are controls like any other, why not intermix them with the
rest?
They could be positioned in the palette using whatever criteria had
been used all these years.
If there's something behaviorally incompatible about Widgets that
would make it undesirable to treat them as first-class objects, that
would seem a bug worth addressing.
And if not, just let them be the first-class objects they are by
integrating them in the palette along with other first-class objects,
grouped by functionality instead of implementation method.
I do feel that, sometimes, the LiveCode people in their,
understandable, enthusiasm to promote the results of their
hard work, fail to take into account that while Richard,
Jacqueline, Klaus and Thee may run at the front of the pack,
there are a large number of us bringing up the rear.
Have you considered the possibility that when Jacque, Klaus, or I
write it may simply be our own honest personal opinions, every bit as
valid as your own?
I have considered that; and of course your opinions are valid; but I
would suggest that all three of you fit into a different group of people
to the one I do (something I am sure all 3 of you will feel pleased
about!). All 3 of you make your main income from programming: I don't.
While my computer programs
are part of my work it is not from them that my income comes.
Hence my "bringing up the rear" remark.
There are a lot of people in "the rear".
Diversity is a sign of a healthy community, but that isn't limited to
complaints. Part of diversity means accepting people who are patient
and enjoying themselves.
Indeed. I have no wish to enforce my view on everyone; what I do want to
do is put forward an
idea about the place of widgets in the upcoming version 8 GUI. As a
result various other people have
suggested other ideas: so my aim has succeeded as it has stimulated
debate which did not seem to
be going on before that.
"people who are patient and enjoying themselves." Dunno what that has to
do with suggesting interface changes. I do ENJOY suggesting interface
changes . . . and patiently wait for the flack,
support, whatever that comes back.
I hope a lot more people will start enjoying themselves, both with
Livecode, and in suggesting
interface improvements.
Richmond.
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