On Apr 20, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Ray wrote:

> Peter - many thanks for your thoughts here!  I believe the answer is to just 
> manually include the "    ...ctrl+A" in the menu item.   The limitation with 
> this solution is I can't 'right justify' the keyboard shortcut part of the 
> menu item.  Thus, other menu items which have sub menus show the right 
> pointing arrow much farther to the right.  I guess I could duplicate the 
> contextual menu in a fixed menu bar but I like to avoid redundancy.
> 
> I'm actually popping up the contextual menu as a right-click choice on a data 
> grid.  It changes depending which column in the grid you right-click.  Does 
> that sound like bad interface to you?

I often use a popup this way, to provide contextual choices to the user. What I 
don't get about what you're trying to do is this: if the user does a <ctrl-A>, 
what is supposed to happen? Given that just typing ctrl-A doesn't give the 
"audio" command (whatever that does) any context to work from? And if the audio 
command doesn't need a context, then why put it into a contextual popup in the 
first place? I guess I don't understand what your aim is.

> On 4/20/2016 11:55 AM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
>>> Ray wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm unable to popup a button as a contextual menu and show keyboard
>>>> shortcuts.  For example, I'd like users to see "Audio  ctrl+A", not
>>>> just "Audio".
>>>> 
>>>> The button's style is "menu" and the button's contents for that line
>>>> is "Audio/A".  The "Audio   ctrl+A" displays fine as long as the
>>>> button's "menuMode" is pulldown, but as soon as I use the popup
>>>> command to pop the button up contextually, it's menuMode is changed
>>>> to "popUp".  This loses the display of the keyboard shortcut.  I now
>>>> only see "Audio" instead of the desired "Audio   ctrl+A".
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know how to keep keyboard shortcuts while using the popup
>>>> command?
>>> I don't believe the OS APIs support that.  The HIGs for all supported 
>>> desktop platforms suggest using context menus as a secondary convenience 
>>> for items also available in the more visible menu bar.
>>> 
>>> Given that design mandate, it seems the assumption is that users can learn 
>>> shortcuts when viewing the menu item in their primary location, regardless 
>>> whether a subset of those items is also available in a more ephemeral 
>>> secondary form such as a context menu.
>>> 
>>> On an implementation level, following the design mandate certainly makes 
>>> things easier for the developer, as both LiveCode and the OS support 
>>> keyboard triggers for visible menu items such as those in the menu bar, but 
>>> since a popup only exists at the moment it's popped up there's no way to 
>>> hook the event from the object.
>> 
>> Usually popup menus are really contextual menus anyway, and give the user 
>> choices that are quite dependent on the control being clicked on. They can 
>> be (and I think usually are) constructed on the fly, to allow for, eg, 
>> actions specific to a field, or even to the text chunk clicked on. Whereas 
>> keyboard shortcuts (and the menu choices associated with them) are generally 
>> more global in scope. If you really need to have shortcuts listed in a popup 
>> menu, you could construct them yourself on the fly -- on mousedown; put 
>> "Audio   ctrl+A" into btn "myPopup"; popup btn "myPopup". I don't know when 
>> this would be actually useful, but then I don't know what you're trying to 
>> do here.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmb...@gmail.com


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