For every single Shakespeare play barring "The Merry Wives of Windsor"
there is a play that Shakespeare "ripped-off".
So, does that make him a plagiarist and a prize plonker?
No, it doesn't, for the simple reason that the plays he ripped-off had
crap dialogues and were second or third-rate:
Auld Willie rejigged the dialogues, rejhigged the plots and produced
marvellous things: he, to coin a phrase
"did make silk purses out of pigs' ears".
So, even if Bill Atkinson either intentionally or unintentionally
ripped-off IBM's "whatever"
(rather in the same sort of way MetaCard was a rip-off of
Hypercard!!!!!!!!!),
his Hypercard was something rather better,
as the rip-off or HyperCard with a new front-end strapped on the front
(i.e. LiveCode) is a bigger and
better beast than either Hypercard or MetaCard ever were.
While plagiarism is plagiarism is plagiarism is 100% shameless rip-off,
plagiarism is JUST copying with nothing added or improved on,m
and Hypercard, MetaCard and Revolution/LiveCode are not JUST copies,
in each case there have been both incremental and large leaps which have
taken
them well beyond what they were supposedly "ripping off".
Oh, and while we're here:
in 1989 I was able to use a Windowing GUI on a BBC Master Compact that
looked very similar indeed to what Apple was pushing
at that time;
both "ripped off" from IBM.
Later on Microsoft, supposedly, ripped the Windows 95 GUI from Mac, and
the Linux distros just helped themselves.
Should we care?
No, we shouldn't, because all that will happen is that a load of lawyers
will get fat through pursuing parasitical
legal cases.
Let's just be VERY GRATEFUL indeed that people such as Bill Atkinson,
Scott Rossi and Kevin Miller didn't
spend hours agonising over nonsense like this and just got on with the
job, whether on drugs at the time or not.
Richmond.
On 10/20/17 12:42 am, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
I wasn't aware that there was objections and controversies when it comes to
this.... everything has a deeper history than just the surface I guess.....
Forgive my ignorance on the subject. Gonna leave this skeleton right where
it is though.
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
Wasn't yesterday VisiCalc's birthday? If ever there was a case of IP
ripoff, it was that one.
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
Tom Glod wrote:
Here is a great interview with Bill..... in which he reveals ....
among other things...... that when he invented Hypercard he was ....
If you ask Walter Cooke, he answers:
"I too miss HyperCard, but I also used Xerox's Notecards software BEFORE
Bill invented Apple's version for the Macintosh.
Google "Xerox Notecards" to read some history of where the concept and OO
implementation originated. Poor Xerox - they invented so much but
couldn't
market their way out of a wet paper bag. A lot of educators were very
impressed with Notecards and wanted at their universities real bad. The
military loved it for buiding real-time visual simulations. I wanted to
use
it for building bond trading software. Unfortunately Xerox workstation
cost
$30K apiece at that time!
I remember arguing with Andy Hertzfeld at the '87 MacWorld Expo where
HyperCard was announced and demoed on the sexy new Mac II. He was adamant
that HyperCard bore no resemblance to Notecards, but grudgingly agreed
that
he HAD seen Notecards at Xerox and knew what it was. Hmmm.."
http://post.spmailt.com/f/a/ioIEMDuP10-XlG589Hs0Zg~~/AAGp3AA~/RgRbyk_cP0EIACz0hAuIUUJXA3NwY1gEAAAAAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb18xYAw1Mi4zOS4yNi4xNDRCCgAAXBzpWct516ZSHXVzZS1saXZlY29kZUBsaXN0cy5ydW5yZXYuY29tCVEEAAAAAEQyaHR0cHM6Ly9hcHBsZS5zbGFzaGRvdC5vcmcvc3RvcnkvMDQvMDMvMzEvMTU1MDIxNi9HAnt9
hypercard-gone-for-good
BUT if you ask Paul Heckel, he would say:
"Zoomracks was first..."
http://post.spmailt.com/f/a/pBqWSS-9L0TY6juiDLxQgg~~/AAGp3AA~/RgRbyk_cP0EIACz0hAuIUUJXA3NwY1gEAAAAAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb18xYAw1Mi4zOS4yNi4xNDRCCgAAXBzpWct516ZSHXVzZS1saXZlY29kZUBsaXN0cy5ydW5yZXYuY29tCVEEAAAAAEQ2aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hdGFyaW1hZ2F6aW5lcy5jb20vc3RhcnR2Mm4zL2h5cGVyY2FyZC5odG1sRwJ7fQ~~
And now that I remember Paul Heckel, read about his winning lawsuit
against
Apple for patent-infringement:
http://post.spmailt.com/f/a/GP1VFaIec0p7bLPgLJisoA~~/AAGp3AA~/RgRbyk_cP0EIACz0hAuIUUJXA3NwY1gEAAAAAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb18xYAw1Mi4zOS4yNi4xNDRCCgAAXBzpWct516ZSHXVzZS1saXZlY29kZUBsaXN0cy5ydW5yZXYuY29tCVEEAAAAAEQ5aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ueXRpbWVzLmNvbS8xOTg5LzEyLzIwL2J1c2luZXNzL2FwcGxlLWlzLXNhaWQtRwJ7fQ~~
to-settle-suit.html
Al
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