Randy
Thaks for that info. You are correct that I load them from the ide. I notice 
that with lc9 I can load directly from the Developer menu. Nice. Maybe I didn’t 
notice it for older versions. 

I’ll get that into my notes. 

Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Sounds like you’re loading your apps to your iPhone and iPad via the Xcode 
> Devices and Simulators window… apps loaded in that way will cease to work 
> when your provisioning profile expires. As far as I know (and have 
> experienced), that is the “normal” way it works.
> 
> However, those same apps if approved by Apple and made available in the App 
> Store will  not cease to work when the profile you used to make the app 
> expires. 
> 
> be well,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 9:51 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I write a couple of apps for myself, that run on Apple iPhone and iPad. I 
>> have to buy certificates from the Apple Developer site. They stop working 
>> after a year. However, some of the apps I get on the Apple store haven’t 
>> been updated for more than a year, yet they still work. I wonder if it has 
>> something to do with the way I provision them, as developer apps.
>> 
>> Building standalone, provisioning them, etc is always a painful process for 
>> me. I think one of the problems is the infrequency that I need to do this, 
>> the ever changing way it needs to be done, and the interactions between 
>> Xcode, the Apple developer web site, and the keychain. Finding and deleting 
>> old certificates seems to be some of the problem for me. They seem to be 
>> stored in multiple places and it isn’t obvious which place is accessed by LC 
>> when building.
>> 
>> Eventually I get it working, but I’m still not sure why always. It seems 
>> that there could be more docs on this, but I know it must be an enormous 
>> challenge to keep up with this. Perhaps the alerts that come from LC could 
>> be more explanative?  Or maybe there are simply too many complications.
>> 
>> Currently, I create the certificates and provisioning profiles on the 
>> developer site, download them to my downloads folder, double click on them 
>> and hope they get into Xcode correctly. Certificates load into the keychain. 
>>  This seems to work for me. When I update from old certificates,  I need to 
>> delete the old ones. Finding where these are stored (multiple places) seems 
>> to change, but eventually I find them.
>> 
>> Various postings of procedures by folks here have been extremely helpful.
>> 
>> So, I hope my rambling explanation of my experience with some of my 
>> challenges with getting my apps on my own devices is informative to those 
>> who might be working with the docs.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 3:35 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry Mark, I’ve just switched countries and I haven’t got all the info to 
>>> hand, but I think the length of validation depends on the certifcate(s) one 
>>> buys - you can get them for different lengths of time. From memory, mine 
>>> are three-year certificates, but you can get shorter and longer ones.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Apr 2018, at 15:21, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> graham, do your apps expire and need resigning after a year?
>>>> 
>>>> 
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