On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have not catch here. You mean that you can understand how to use REV with > SQL lite and mySQL, but cannot catch how to use it with Valentina ?? > Man, I thought I'd slip past your gaze, but impossible - your amazing Ruslan. Yes, the frustrating thing is that I can get all sorts of things done with SQL using either mySQL or sqLite, and I KNOW I could get it all done much faster if I could only get Valentina to work for me. Val Studio keeps crashing on me and I've had similar problems with 'example' Rev stacks + Val DBs I've created. Now I know Valentina will work, it just isn't happy with my set-up. But it's my set-up that I need to sort out and I'm intentionally NOT asking for your help. I'm not in the demographic that you should be focusing your precious time and effort. I marvel at the level of support you provide over on the Valentina List and there are many professional developers there working on commercial products who deserve your time and effort. I'm not paid to use Rev or Val, my paid job is fulltime +. I'm a HyperCard refugee who joined the Revolution;-) I create little odds and ends for me,myself and I. I expect my development environment to start, run and produce results in minutes as minutes is all I have to spare. I looked into Rev 1.1 but wasn't impressed, came back a year or so later at 2.2. bought that, not because it worked, but as a donation in the hope that one day it would. At 2.6 I started using Rev, but had to develop a healthy save as you go mentality. 2.7 was OK and 2.8 fine. When I got into mySQL, I just downloaded the installer, followed the instructions and it worked FIRST TIME. If it didn't I wouldn't be using it. When I decided to give sqLite a go, someone pointed me to sqLite Manager for FireFox. I installed it, pointed to a 3rd party program that was based around sqLite, and bingo, I was accessing all the data. It worked first time. I wouldn't be using it otherwise. I know that if I said 'today I'll fully troubleshooting my Valentina set-up' that I could get it up and running. The problem is the other side of my brain says, in half a day I could get so much more done with Rev + mySQL. But IF I made my living from databases, I would invest the time to get Valentina sorted. Having said that, I have kept an eye on the Valentina List and have 'marked' posts regarding installing Val for Rev on OSX. I know there is a problem with Rev docs using Val 1.1 refs. I know that pre 3.x install.rev improperly used copyFile instead of copyFolder. I know that you occasionally suggest trashing the contents of /usr/local/lib/vcomponents. I know there are a couple of TXT files that need to be checked to see that they contain the correct reference to the correct drivers. But I also note that all of this good information does not reside in one place, nor does a single one of them appear on the 'Installing Val for Rev' wiki page. So it is time consuming for me to backtrack through the posts to find these gems and it must be tedious for you to keep repeating these same instructions. SO, you ask that I provide a short description of the FIRST SIMPLE lesson, but instead I'd like to suggest a simple addition to the Val for Rev Installation page: http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=paradigma:public:en:documentation:v4rev:manual:installation At the bottom of the page please make the simple assumption that some people will not achieve a successful install and add a 'Troubleshooting Section', and in it include: 1) If it is necessary, and how to Uninstall previous versions of Val. Please be very specific about how to find ALL the Val bits and pieces that may need to be Trashed. Users may not remember where Val 1.1 was installed. And what about if things were installed in the wrong place? What searches can a user carry out to ensure they remove EVERYTHING? Assume the user has copies of Rev 2.6, 2.7, 2.8 and 2.9 installed. Assume the user has attempted to install Val 1.1, 2.5,2.6,2.7,2.8,3.1,3.2 over several version of Rev. 2) Should the install.rev console window report that it was unable to copy a file or create a folder, provide specific steps how to resolve this and a checklist to ensure everything is in the right place. Also, the fact that the installer was unable to copy or create something, may that suggest a 'permissions' problem? Knowing the read/write permissions for every file may also be handy. Could the fact it couldn't copy a file suggest that a file by that name already exists? Is that OK or does that suggest an old file is still there? 3) Rev docs have Val 1.1 refs and should be ignored when using Val 2.x, 3.x (That was valid for pre 2.9 docs - is it the same for 2.9 docs?) 4) Pre 3.0 install.rev script needs copyFile amended to copyFolder, and include the full script: ------------------ get CheckExist( lPluginFile, lExternPath ) if the result is false then -- revCopyFile lPluginFile, lExternPath revCopyFolder lPluginFile, lExternPath if the result is empty then Message "Copy plugin: " & lPluginFile & " Successful!" -------------------- 5) When to Trash /usr/local/lib/vcomponents and how to replace it's contents. 6) The location of the TXT files and their appropriate content depending on which version of Rev you are running. 7) You put into the Message Box: put the externalPackages of stack "home" and Valentina for Revolution is NOT listed. What should you do? (Just run Installer.rev again? Trash everything first? Repair Permissions? Manual copy/move?) 8) It is common if a piece of software is not functioning to trash it's preference file, is this recommended for Val Studio? 9) Anything else from your encyclopaedic knowledge that may help troubleshoot a misbehaving installation, such as where to find the Warnings log, and how to put together a comprehensive 'support' e-mail so that you can quickly pinpoint the problem ;-) And although I'm clearly a Mac man, specifics for both Mac and Win would be much appreciated. Lastly, I've recently completed a clean install of OSX 10.5.2, not an upgrade. After many days of ensuring everything was working I did a clean install of Rev 2.9, not an upgrade. I currently have more important things to do with my time, but some day I'll get around to doing a clean install of Val, and I'm hoping it will now just work, and I'll be happy and when I have the opportunities I'll set about moving my mySQL DBs to Val:-) Again I am not asking you to reply to this e-mail, other customers should be way higher on your priority list, but someday, when the world is good and everyone is happy and you think to yourself, 'gee I'd like to write some wiki pages', I hope you consider the above :-) Gotta go, needed elsewhere :-( _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list [email protected] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
