Yes, it is always good to know. Or is it? I am a fan of automation. I am working on an evolving AI scheme. It sucks intelligence out of humans (they don't get hurt in the process). So I am up to my eyeballs in stuff to learn and invent (I've got a warehouse full of fishing rods already). That is the point. I would be all for learning to fish if fishing was my goal. Which brings me to my perennial soap box support of xTalk... that it offloads the detail so that developers can concentrate in the high-level goals that drive their projects.

Ranndall

On Dec 26, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

Bonsoir Randall,

I'm afraid you don't want to begin by the beginning, right ;-)
But it's necessary...
Others have not given you fish but fishing rods: is it not better?

To be frank, when I began myself to run into TCP communication, I had to make efforts before understanding by MYSELF how it could work. ChatRev from Björnke von Gierke (to communicate with a server) and Alex Tweedly stacks (to try in local mode with two Rev instances), all on Rev Online were a great help. Despite all this, it took me some weeks to feel a bit at ease and I'm not sure, I am always ;-)
Good luck!

Le 26 déc. 08 à 18:32, Randall Reetz a écrit :

Everyone is writing as though i know something. Lets asume i don't. let's assume i am a guy on the street who happens to know xtalk but knows nothing of the network or internet. I dont know for "socket" or "port". All i know is there is a computer running a stack that is permanantly connected to the net that i will call the server. And there are other computers running stacks that may or may not be connected to the net (that i will call "clients"). The client stacks need to send data to the server stack. And the other say around. Client to client communication as well. I would prefer if all such communications look and act just like xtalk messages. You know, the web for the rest of us.

Oh, and i am not interested in web pages. I need superfast communication. When the client user does something, the server knows right away, and vice versa. No delay beyond com speed. Thus the need for com as xtalk messages.

Randall

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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