Hey, Chilton!How quickly one is forgotten when they are quiet ;-)
I haven't seen you on this list; I guess you're just lurking, eh? ;-)
I've been here since roughly a week after Rev shipped 1.0. But this is one of the lists I read in my spare time, which I don't have a lot of these days. For the last two years I've been working on a product for a client, the final version of which shipped this morning. So I've got a bit of time on my hands again.
Tim Hart wrote:I mean what is the hold up. I don't mean to be a jerk but I don't see how they could possibly miss their original announcement by 4 months of just bug fixing. What is going on?
Richard Gaskin responded:On list, this is probably true. Off list, I'm sure he's received about as many flames as I have the few times I've posted anything that puts Rev in a bad light. Apparently I'm everything from a 'typical Mac (expletive deleted)', to a SuperCard Bigot. Hopefully he'll make off a bit better.
I'm confident that as a long-time xTalker you recognize, as Mark Lucas
himself has said, that it's valuable for all xTalk products to support
others in different niches. As long as your question is motivated by a
sincere interest in using Rev 2.0 I'm sure no one here would accuse you of
being a "jerk".
Thus far the shift from Rev 1.x to 2.0 is moving faster than SC 3.x to 4.0,This is true, but there are fewer underlying issues they're faced with as well (Raney gets to handle the heavy lifting on the engine), so this is likely entirely due to making sure the bugs are worked out. Always a good thing, in my book.
so any problem lies more with Rev's rush to announce ship dates prematurely
than any actual engineering issue.
Yes, but had he shipped SC4 with a bug that crashed everything under Jaguar, he'd never hear the end of it. Right now, there is not a shipping version of Revolution that is entirely safe in Jaguar, unless you can work with the old-style MacOS appearance for things.Chilton Webb said...Richard Gaskin responded:
I believe it's a difference in the demands of the users. Because SC has
been around so long, if SC4 shipped with *any* major bugs, it would be
seen a major failure on the part of the SuperCard team, so the
development cycle for this version was considerably longer than I think
anyone hoped it would be. But the finished product was worth the wait.
SC's installed user base is not as tolerant of the development team's mistakes as users are on this list.
I think you may be underestimating the supportiveness of the SC community:
searching for "bug" in the SC list archives brought up a few hundred
messages, and the conversations there seemed very friendly and supportive of
Mark Lucas' excellent work.
One nice thing about this community is that posts related to other tools areI'd question your use of the word 'welcome' here. This list is just as bad about flaming people as any other I've been on, the main difference is that the flames are kept off-list. Which is probably a good thing. But I've seen a few Rev users flamed by their own, for lesser things than pointing out the 4 month slip in the 2.0 release date.
never filtered out, so sincere posts with information useful to the readers
here are always welcome.
As far as I know, the only person filtered from the SC list is Scott Raney, who has a long history of posting blatant ads for MetaCard as a 'solution' to a problem in SC (while this is funny, it isn't always helpful). And it's not limited to SuperCard. He had a bit of a reputation for this on other lists as well, especially on Usenet.
Scott Simon's decision to filter Raney was at the request of a number of users, and not one he wanted to do, from what I can tell.
Now, it is possible that my above statements paint my perception of Raney in a bad way. But that's not actually the case. I have nothing but respect for his product and his abilities. It's his method of interacting with his competition that I find fault in, but not necessarily even that. It's more that he's very good at being a competitor, which is something quite lacking in the industry right now. One key aspect of being a good competitor is annoying your competition.
-Chilton
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