Agreed. Now must I send bribes to end this "debate"?
On 5/10/09 2:50 AM, "Richmond Mathewson" <[email protected]> wrote: > God may forgive you, but the rest of us will . . . > > love you and cherish you for initiating a useful and > stimulating discussion! > > And, the moral of the story is: you can be bl**dy-minded like me, > or you can be bl**dy-minded like somebody else, or (what a luxury) > you can be bl**dy-minded in you own way. > > To my mind, the 'tolerance' of Runtime Revolution is what makes it > so much more accessible than most other programming environments. > > Stephen Cox wrote: >> Well.. God.. Sorry all for starting this. :) >> >> Use what you want. I'll keep it on cause I'm used to that type of >> environment. Used to declaring variables. And it's in my head. >> >> >> >> On 5/10/09 1:09 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> Following this thread has pushed another one of my buttons and I >>> cannot resist getting on my soap-box and inserting my two-bits. >>> >>> We have "all" become accustomed to protecting ourselves from >>> ourselves. To the point where some of us pass laws requiring that >>> everyone protect themselves. I'm talking about INSURANCE. The best >>> "insurance" against having anything happen is an alert and active >>> mind. Insurance merely puts us to sleep; allowing us to be less than >>> vigilant and knowledgeable within all aspects of our lives. Not >>> declaring vars merely promotes sloppiness and, eventually, stupidity. >>> The President is going to spend enormous sums of money promoting >>> Health Insurance, when the best insurance is almost free; preventive >>> medicine which we have neglected for decades. We just need to be >>> diligent about all things. Education, eduction, education!!!!!!!! >>> >>> Joe Wilkins >>> >>> On May 9, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Jacque- >>>> >>>> Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:01:53 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Ah... I *knew* this would push Jacque's buttons... <g> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or >>>>> type >>>>> variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes >>>>> one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place. >>>>> >>>> I seriously take issue with that being "the main strength" of xtalk. >>>> >>>> >>>>> 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer >>>>> finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about. >>>>> >>>> Laziness is one of the big reasons I *do* declare my variables. If the >>>> compiler is smart enough to catch all kinds of errors for me, why >>>> should I go through all the debugging work at runtime? I believe in >>>> letting the computer do the hard work for me, otherwise I might as >>>> well just be coding the cpu's opcodes by hand. >>>> >>>> >>>>> None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that >>>>> explicitVars >>>>> might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and >>>>> throws an error. >>>>> >>>>> Back to today's response: >>>>> >>>>> The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it >>>>> happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I >>>>> don't >>>>> get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a >>>>> typist as >>>>> your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;) >>>>> >>>> <puts on a SNL snarl> >>>> ...Jacque, you ignorant slut... >>>> <returns to reality> >>>> You're missing the point. The purpose of explicitVars is to catch >>>> things that slip by the compiler otherwise. If it's just a simple >>>> misspelling of a keyword the compiler will catch it anyway, as you >>>> pointed out. But explicitVars will let you know if you've mistyped a >>>> variable name when the "friendly" compiler would helpfully generate a >>>> new variable instead of using the one you intended. And it will help >>>> when your fingers forget to place a space after "the" and instead of >>>> the variableNames ending up in a variable you end up with empty. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I once took over a project from someone who used explicit >>>>> variables. I >>>>> stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts >>>>> comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were >>>>> all >>>>> kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of >>>>> declarations >>>>> and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space. >>>>> >>>> I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you >>>> can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and >>>> of course someone will post some code that proves me wrong). If you >>>> come across a handler like this then you have at least five lines of >>>> declarations that are not being used. And then you're absolutely right >>>> to strip them out <g>. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Mark Wieder >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> [email protected] >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [email protected] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list [email protected] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
