Bill,
I will say the same thing I said to Kevin's recent post:
The
question we were asking was "Which language is going to be easier in day to
day use"? For example, the code on the PHP comparison was based on an
example posted on a site that *teaches* how to write PHP. So clearly its of
a standard that is used in the real world. If you're an expert coding in
PHP
every day you can shorten it. Same with the revTalk example as it happens.
What is simply needed is a bibliography.
The fact that the PHP example comes from a site that teaches PHP is a huge
blow to any argument that Rev is manipulating example to their own benefit.
But that fact is not evident on the pdf.
We don't need Rev users to 'create' examples, no matter how real life they
are, as they will always be subject to the 'they've been manipulated by Rev'
accusations.
Better to find on line examples of code in each of the languages listed,
especially from sites that supposedly 'teach the language', and then do the
Rev equivalent.
If I were to manipulate anything, I'd then try to include these examples on
'teach Rev' sites, like Devin Assay's, and include that in the bibliography
as well.
As, has already been said, you are not going to persuade the 'real
programmers' by line counts and code readability, and they'll continue to
argue that the code examples are poor and they can do better. But for anyone
new to programing, or actually open minded enough to be considering any or
all alternatives, links to real examples of other language code and learning
sites, and actual equivalent examples in Rev are going to be effective, and
if they follow the links to Learn Rev sites, lead them to the next step down
the path of giving Rev a try.
Another 2 clams
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Bill Marriott <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi everyone,
We've taken your feedback to heart and will be putting effort into
significantly improving our comparisons. (It obviously doesn't help to put
up "straw men.")
To that end, I would very much appreciate contributions from the community.
If you have code samples in other languages that you feel would be good
illustrations of how revTalk can be shorter and/or more readable, please
either post them to the list or mail directly to me -- bill.marriott (at)
runrev.com.
We're especially interested in :
- ActionScript (Flash)
- REALbasic
- PHP
and to a lesser extent
- C/C++/C#
- Visual Basic
- Java
- JavaScript
If you are able to replicate the functionality with a revTalk example, all
the better. Try to focus your efforts on real-world tasks, classic
programming challenges, things everyone building software can relate to. And
of course, areas where revTalk really shines.
While it won't be the same as getting "recognized experts" [in those other
languages] to produce the examples, I know there's a wealth of knowledge
here in the use-list and am hoping you'll contribute some sterling examples.
Thanks very much,
Bill
RunRev marketing guy
Whatever the answer, Andre raised a very relevant point, with which I
fully agree, that Rev is not well served by using a comparison against what
others feel is very poor code. [...]
To truly demonstrate Rev's ability against other code, get the code
written by a recognised expert in that language (somebody like Bruce Eckel
for Java and C++). Yes, it would cost money but I believe it would be money
well spent.
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