Bob,

It's amazing how your scenario turned on the light bulb in my brain about this. 
Thanks...

And bobs-yer-uncle I got it...

Tom

On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Okay, so let's say I'm a script kiddie with a bug up my butt about your web 
> server. I decide I am going to take it down. Now I'm smart enough to know 
> that servers are multi-threaded, meaning they can host lots of connections 
> and process threads to manage simultaneous connections. But what I am banking 
> on is that your server does not have any limits on how long a process can 
> stay open. 
> 
> So what I do is craft an application that continuously opens processes that 
> will take forever. All the well behaved processes from other users will 
> eventually finish, leaving one more process thread for my malicious app to 
> gobble up. 
> 
> Eventually my malicious app gobbles up ALL the available processes, and 
> bobs-yer-uncle I have your server by the short hairs. Oh but wait! Turns out 
> you were not as dumb as moi hoped you were, and you set up policies on your 
> web server that automatically terminated processes lasting longer than 30 
> seconds. Well I might be able to bog down your server, but I can't kill it. 
> 
> Oh but wait! You turned out to be MUCH smarter than I thought, and after my 
> server terminates x number of processes from a particular address, you lock 
> me out of your server! Okay, well I craft my program now to create HUGE 
> processes, as big as I can get them. Oh but wait again! Your server has 
> limits on how big a process can be! Dang! Yer a genius and I am screwed! 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:59 AM, wayne durden wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Andre, and I am working through your article now as well.  I get that
>> it is per process but the part that isn't still clear to me is that the OS
>> can be doing my intensive process for 30 seconds before closing it and also
>> attending to another user simultaneously or not.  I am under the impression
>> there is still some resource slicing going on, I just don't have a concrete
>> understanding...
>> 
>> This is all very interesting to me because I am interested in moving a
>> desktop app that processes datafiles up to 100,000 lines which can mean for
>> each line comparing against the remainder (in reality sorts cust this down a
>> great deal), but this can run for minutes on a desktop app and I have got to
>> cut it down into asynchronous processing as per your article...
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Wayne
> 
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