On Nov 28, 2003, at 4:31 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
Rev needs to be changed, especially if we're doing silly things like using PNGs. The system is providing the service for consistency, we should be using it.
Actually, Rev is adhering to the Aqua HIG, as it should. If you want a window to have the grey lines when it's a document window, you can either set the style of the window to modeless (assuming you don't want a modal dialog or palette), or set the backgroundPattern to an image to a snapshot of a section of the striped background. When and if Apple decides to revise the HIG to make the lines appropriate for document windows, I'm sure Rev will follow suit. But to NOT follow the HIG because someone else ISN'T (even Apple itself, occasionally) is just "bad form". ;-)
I respectfully disagree.
"Bad form" is displaying an inconsistent or confusing interface to the user. The pinstripes help set apart editable areas from areas having do do with the operations of the application. This window I'm using now to write mail, for example, has pinstripes under the icons for "Send" and "Attach" and such. The section of the window I'm typing in of course does not. I don't think the original intent of the HIG would be to have all of these areas white, just because this happens to be a document-style window. That would be more visually confusing and ugly.
I know you're just being helpful (and much thanks to you and all of the other helpful people around here), but suggesting the use of a modeless window or a striped background picture is somewhat hypocritical in this context. Modeless windows have their own purposes according to the HIG. Background patterns will not follow any changes to the OS such as we have seen with Panther.
It should be up to the developers (us) to follow the HIG as we read it and to keep our applications consistent with the de facto standard look of all the other applications installed on a user's machine. It's not up to the makers of our tools to babysit us.
I'm all for standards, the Web is a real mess due to the sloppy and rushed implementation and following of standards. For something like this, however, where we're just trying to maintain consistency, following the HIG to the letter, rather than in spirit seems rather stubborn. And from the discussion here it seems to be creating more of the problems it was designed to solve.
take care,
-j.
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