>Okay, I just realized somthing I do not understand.  I have a sub-stack
>called Logger it is loaded (or at least shown in the Application Browser).
> When I "get" it's visible property it is true.  Now this stack has no
>desktop presentation so I assumed (incorrectly as I now know) that this
>property would be false (since it is not shown).  How else would one find
>out if a particular stack is shown (has a desktop presentation)? 
>
>
>
>K


'Closed' and 'visible' are, as you have discovered, not mutually exclusive. 
Use the mode property to determine if a stack is closed...

if the mode of stack "Logger" = 0 then

/H
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