Thanks, Frank. That may be my best solution. We have a bit of an unusual requirement in that the user of our app has to pay per-use, so I can either have a single, shared user ID and password login for my own SMTP server or I can even probably script a way to generate a user ID and password combo when they pay up and get their unlock code to use the app. Either way should be fine, I think. The server won't be open to relaying and the volumes are low enough they won't overtax my server.

Now I just have to go figure out how to configure my FreeBSD box to run an SMTP server. Ought to be a snap. Right. Back in about six months!

:-D

Dan

On Jan 28, 2005, at 8:36 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

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You could also try setting up your own SMTP server and direct the mail to that, if you have a public IP address or could somehow get one. Or, you could try to embed one in your app somehow...

There's a new one: there are embedded database engines, so why not embedded SMTP servers?


Well, apparently the virus writers and spammers/bulk mailers have this already:


http://www.bol.ucla.edu/alert/20041104.html
http://www.kingmailer.com/faq.asp
http://www.amailsender.com/massmailer/


So why not a Rev app?

Info on the protocol can be found here:

http://cr.yp.to/smtp.html
http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/821/index.htm
http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/bynum.cgi?1869


On Jan 28, 2005, at 5:44 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Derek Bump wrote:
>> Unless this stack is going to be used by 100s or 1000s of people,
>> and used to send 1000s of emails, why not hard code the settings
>> to your own smtp server?
>
> This could work, but you need to make sure your mail server
> doesn't has security against doing this.  Most do, as open
> mail servers without protection tend to be used by spammers.

Any server admin who doesn't require at least simple password authentication for SMTP servers should be fired, as they are aiding spammers and leaving their system at risk.

So assuming such lamers get fired, the question becomes: Is Dan comfortable handing his SMTP password to anyone with a copy of Interarchy or other traffic monitoring tool? ;)

If you need email specifically, it should not be too onerous to ask users to set up yours just as they set up their own. You can be extra nice and provide instructions on where they can find that info, but most can do it or they don't have email.

But if the goal is to have them send you messages, you could bypass email altogether with a CGI: the user client sends to the CGI, and you can write your own custom client for yourself that retrieves the messages and their attachments. Since it's your own system you can package the data in any way that's convenient for you, without regard to complicated RFCs.

I've been doing that with RevNet's feedback form and elsewhere for years -- ditching email in favor of whatever system works for you can be much simpler and no less convenient, perhaps more so.

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