Hey guys - A great place to bat these ideas around is "http://www.experts-exchange.com/";. I haven't participated there in a while, but when I did the discussions were mostly very civilized and very thought-provking.
-James -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 23, 2005 5:18 PM To: How to use Revolution <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Way OT : time and tao Jonathan- Wednesday, March 23, 2005, 1:38:55 PM, you wrote: LJ> When you ask the question "what caused the state of affairs as shown in LJ> column 2" the answer would be "the state of affairs in column 1" I think your analogy is starting to fall apart here. I don't think you can infer causality from the existence of two states. You're implying a relationship between the two states based on causality, and then attempting to prove causality based on the implied relationship. Hawking's "arrows of time" infer the flow of time from perceived causality i.e., the "entropic arrow", the "cosmological arrow", but without a flow of time these causalities wouldn't exist. It is equally true to say that entropy increases in the direction of the flow of time and to say that time flows in the direction of increasing entropy. If there is no entropy then there is no time flow, and there is no causality. Causality vs a-causality is irrelevant here. ...and this discussion is getting *really* off-track now. I'd better duck out before the listmom gets upset... it's been fun. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list [email protected] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list [email protected] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
