Hi Dar,

Agreed a thousand times.
To pass code (we say that in french but not in english may be :-) may be very valuable (and I often admire) but it is not enough...
Code is not a goal. It is only a means (often exciting).
Our final goal is an application that suits the needs of our clients (or users) with a perfect (???) design, good ergonomics, 100% (???) reliability, etc.
But I am not a programmer, I am a midwife ;-)

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 31 mai 05 � 18:51, Dar Scott a �crit :

Concerning the "coded in 3 minutes" in the subject.

I wouldn't want anybody to be intimidated by this.

I'm an experienced programmer. My customers come back for more. Though others create in a different style, my design style might be a yardstick.

I might code a similar solution in 3 minutes, maybe more. But--for me--that might be after a period on pondering options: ellipses at angle, images at angle, lines, single polygon, multiple polygons, overlapping animated gifs, rebuilding images.... And I might try some experiments or look at what others have done or see what images components are available and so on. I might consider issues such as stopping the thing. I might make some queries on this list.

For me the coding is a small part of the design process. For one customer after a couple hours of research I coded up a solution in seconds and my customer was very happy.

For some folks the script editor is where they explore ideas, allowing the structure of code to help ideas come together. They might write a few pieces that help in thinking about the rest. Code might move around. I don't think we can call these folks slow coders; they are using scripts to work with ideas.

Others need time, they don't get their best ideas on demand. Some folks wake up in the morning with ideas or get them in the shower or in traffic.

So, if making a clock takes hours staring at clocks or tinkering or chatting with others or whatever, that is OK. We have different styles and we are all learning and growing. Though there might be some who go from challenge to script in 3 minutes, for most of us mere mortals the total time to design is longer.

Dar

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