On Jul 1, 2005, at 5:20 AM, Bob Warren wrote:

Can we go back to where it all started?

Ok, I deleted everything before this post in my mail.

Now, if we can discuss this on the List and arrive at some kind of consensus about it, then perhaps we would earn sufficient respect on the part of the
management to get something implemented.

Bob

A wise proposition.

Just a few ideas about these posts from my long experience.

STRANGE or BAD IDEAS:

1. Every good idea I ever had, started out as a bad idea. Some of the worst and most improbable ones turned into the best. The key was to take the bad idea as a way to break free of the previous limited thinking and use it as a stepping stone to a great idea.

2. Half the bad ideas I ever had were really bad and stayed that way and never led to anything worthwhile.

3. I learned to treat ideas (my own or somebody else's) with equanimity. I embrace the good ones whatever their source, and wrestle with the bad ones until I understand their true nature.

4. It is often hard for me to tell that I have a good or bad idea until I can bounce it off other intelligent persons with different experiences.

5. Ideas are not people, they are just inanimate objects. They feel no insults or injuries. They are fair game. If you wish to release an idea into the hunting grounds to see if it survives, please do not identify yourself with it's fate. Be a dispassionate participant, arguing for, or even against it's merits as the chase progresses.

PEOPLE are NOT IDEAS:

1. The people who release ideas are not to be confused with the idea. They have feelings, and are not fair game. Everyone should receive respect, even when they don't give it. That is a very hard thing to learn (especially if you feel slighted). I have noticed that the most helpful people on this list behave this way. I have also noticed that when a person is given respect (in spite of their perceived disrespect), they tend to change their tune in a positive way.

2. Let the list mom handle the disposition of obnoxious people who really don't belong on this list.

WHO BENEFITS from a GOOD IDEA:

1. I present ideas for improvements on this list without any expectation that I will benefit from them even if they are ever implemented. It is unlikely that any will make it into a version in the time frame of my current projects. I do not know if my future projects will materialize, or if I will have the same needs. I view my contributions as planting an apple tree that others will be able to pick the fruit from. Therefore, I am not emotionally invested from a personal level, only as representing part of the user community needs.

2. I benefit directly when my good or bad ideas generate a response from the community about to solve the underlying problem (that spawned the idea) with the tools available today.

Dennis
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