David,
Many thanks for that long reply. I have added to the file where I
keep all suggestions (still on my computer... will move it to a wiki
page this evening).
Yes -- and I have code to read and write to an online wiki (at the
moment not with authentication for TikiWiki) - I am aiming to use
ssh and certificates for any secure and easy to script work on this
- lot easier than coding the session managment.
Great!
revdocs.org / net / com sound fine to me. Happy to register them
today if you want on behalf of any group that want to take this
forward.
We have one vote for revdocs.org (probably yours).
I have moved off TikiWiki and MediaWiki has the same problems -
hard to integrate with Rev and not purpose built for the task.
Yes, I have the same opinion. It is possible to hack tikiwiki but
that's probably at least a week work. Then we will need to hack it
for something else, etc., etc. Not the best fit.
The only wiki that supports all of these is Jira:
- http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/
- http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRAEXT/JIRA
+Subversion+plugin
It is not open source, but is free for open source projects. It is
a robust commercial product used by MySQl and a number of large
open source community. Very well designed.
Trac is the only open source solution that comes close:
- http://www.edgewall.com/trac/
We have it installed here, but not with the SVN bit and syntax
colouring working here. It also lacks XML-RPC support at the
moment, but using https we can work around that.
Regarding hosting - I can offer this on a dedicated server if a
small group of us would like to contribute.
I had a colorization module in Drupal, so I started checking out
Drupal with the feature listed (before I came across Jira). Drupal is
free (GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE -- no restriction I could find
inhttp://drupal.org/LICENSE.txt).
Drupal is an open-source platform and content management system for
building dynamic web sites offering a broad range of features and
services including user administration, publishing workflow,
discussion capabilities, news aggregation, metadata functionalities
using controlled vocabularies and XML publishing for content sharing
purposes. Equipped with a powerful blend of features and
configurability, Drupal can support a diverse range of web projects
ranging from personal weblogs to large community-driven sites.
Anybody on this list familiar with Jira and Drupal and can offer some
advice?
These are what I would suggest are the requirements for the best
documentation wiki for our purpose:
1) Robust well supported open source wiki
What I read at <http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/leading-
open-source-cms-mambo-versus-drupal-a-comprehensive-comparison/>
Drupal is cleanly designed with extensibility in mind and more
flexible. Drupal provides a standard high-level API for developing
extensions and making it easier to extend Drupal in a standard way
with uniform look-and-feel. Drupal provides better support for
internationalization through i18n module. Drupal has better support
of Search-Engine-Friendly URLs in core and through modules. Drupal
supports multiple sites with a single installation with fine-grained
access control and ability to selectively share configuration
settings and database tables. Drupal comes with better templating
system.
2) Full wiki functionality revealed via web services - XmlRPC
for instance - to allow direct integration with Rev
Apparently, it meets the criterion for web service:
<http://an9.org/devdev/making_a_cool_web_service?sxip-
homesite=&checked=1>
Honestly, for 90% of sites, there is no reason that a sub-five-minute
Drupal install won’t accomplish almost all of the work involved in
starting a website immediately, and it has the nicest (and one of the
best documented) plugin systems I have ever worked with. You aren’t
going to come up with something better than these frameworks and
still have time for what you were really trying to do, a cool web
service.
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/thox/24237747/> ... Drupal XUL with
XMLRPC. Anticipating the future, xul compatibility is something very
good to have.
3) Code and binary stack versioning linked to wiki documentation
Drupal features content versioning. It also supports taxonomy
support (we will need this too, this will become more and more
important over the next 3 years).
4) Extensible syntax highlighting
They have a very powerful code colorization module (<http://
drupal.org/node/21368>). Then it is as simple as writing <code
type="language">...</code> in your page.
5) Email notifications for changes
6) Simple navigation
This seems to be the case: http://drupal.org/. The look is a lot more
modern than tikiwiki.
The basic functionality I imagine is to have a simple site with an
index / outline of the documentation which would automatically be
generated from the wiki. A user could use the web site to
contribute to the wiki or access, read and write to the wiki
directly from within Revolution.
Exactly, yes.
There would also be a section of code snippets and handlers with
SVN for version management linked to the wiki documentation for the
code. A user would be able to search and download these code
snippets directly from within Revolution.
Exactly, yes.
Additionally I have requirements to add the following:
1) Issue tracking (tickets) and milestone support
This means there is a main manager and a support service. Is this
realistic? If you propose support, you give users a reason to expect
it. Do we really want that (i.e., to end up doing revolution's job)?
Isn't open comments more appropriate?
2) LDAP support
Authentication only LDAP module <http://drupal.org/node/27640>
3) Folksonomy tag support - ie video, regEx, recusive
Making a Drupal Folksonomy Tag Cloud <http://
www.echochamberproject.com/node/235>
Best is probably to install both and put them to the test for a month
and then check up what are their pros and cons (often you discover
annoyances only by experience).
Shall we move this to a small group discussion? (somewhere on a wiki,
with occasional reports on this list).
Marielle
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