Modern times, modern needs, modern tools.
It is 1990 not 1970...oops, it is not even 1990 anymore :-)
Paul Looney
-----Original Message-----
From: David Burgun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: How to use Revolution <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:48:15 +0000
Subject: Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
>I learnt Hypercard without a book,
>and I extended my knowledge, as RR extended xTalk, in the
>same way:
>
>by doing!
That's great if you have all the time in the world to "doing" it wrong
many times! Especially when the documentaion is just plain wrong!
>
>Ludwig Wittgenstein said that too many people Philosophise
>and not enough DO PHILOSOPHY.
>
>Now if we all DID Runtime Revolution:
>
>i.e. got in there, got our feet wet, realised that (despite
>a few itches) it really is just about the best
>cross-platform RAD out there, and used the built-in
>documentation as well as we are able to . . .
>
>We would probably shut-up about the 'awful this and the
>awful that'.
>
>Although I am a mere 43 (I have a feeling Dan Shafer is
>older) I started computer programming with FORTRAN 4 in
>1975 - then BASIC, then PASCAL, ZILOG . . . those who moan
>(I don't mean the odd 'twitch') and continue to moan about
>RR's documentation and "lack-of-ease-of-use" ought to try
>programming with one of those horrible Hollerith card
>punchers:
>
>http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/univac/cards.html
>
>a stack of cards,
I did all that too. Started out working in Assembler on Minicomputers
and IBM/ICL mainframes.
One difference was the number of customers you'd have for a given
product. Most companies sold computers systems where the hardware was
at least £10,000 and most likely more like £30,000. The system was also
specified up front and the user paid extra for addition features from
the base system. Today, we write general purpose software to be sold to
a mass market, running of different hardware and operating systems.
Another difference is that the systems back then had about 10% of the
complexity of the Mac/PC today. Also in those environments there were
two areas you had there were seperate, e.g. the language, like
Assember, Pascal, Fortran, Cobol, C etc. which had separate
documentation similar to code warrior today. IOW, you can get any one
of a 100 C/C++, Pascal or Fortran books. In this case there was a bible
you could look to to see what was *supposed* to happen.
Also when you did find a problem, it was much easier to patch the OS
or the Assembler/Compiler, and you could step into almost any part of
the system on a machine code basis. The Debugger was usually in ROM
which helped too, you couldn't corrupt it.
In the case of environments like RunRev, it's an all in one solution
and there isn't a bible or a host of other places you can look to see
what is *supposed* to happen. You are relient on the documentation that
comes with the system, and since the IDE is part of that same system
you are developing, the problems are much more complex.
>a Fortran Manual (remember all that stuff about
>formatting?),
>
>and the 2-3 week wait while your cards sat in a queue at
>one of the few Universities that offered a public service.
The difference was you were not trying to make a living out of it,
and, even if you were, the market was FAR less competitive and the
application FAR less complex.
All the Best
Dave
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