> Is it just me or is it incredibly hard to change the layer order of a
 Group or Control in the lastest version of RunRev? The previous
 version was pretty hard but latest version is just terrible.

no, it's the way to approach it that is wrong IMOHO...

 So, maybe I am doing something wrong:

 If I have a control that is outside of all groups on the card, what
 is the recommended way in the IDE to change the layer so that the
 control is inside a group?

cut the object, and using the right click (control click on macs), select
teh group where you want to insert the group and use "paste objects in
group"...

Actually, i used to do that but noticed that if i wanted my control to be
lower in the layers of the group, it is easier to:
cut the object, edit the group, paste the object and send it to the
back...

Ok, I will try this next time I edit a group like that, the thing is sometimes I want the control at a specific layer in the group. For instance if I have a group that contains enterable fields and I want to add a new one, I want it at a specific place in the group so that the Tab key works logically. This seems incredibly hard to acheive.

 > I have tried setting the relayerGroupedControls property to true in
 the message box, but even if I do this, the control will not move via
 the Layer Up/Down buttons in the Property Inspector.  Sometimes I can
 get it to move once, e.g.  down one layer (from the last item in the
 card to the last item in the last group of the card), but after this
 it just refuses to move anymore!

To put an object in a group, and assuming the object is in a higher
layer than the group you want to move it to

set the layer of thisobject to the layer of thisgroup+1

The group is layer x, any object inside it is x+... < next layer
out of the group...

Sorry, I don't understand this, what if I have a control in a another group that is lower than the group I want to move the control to?

In the previous version of RunRev, you could set relayerGroupedControls to true, selected the control and then move it via the layer arrows in the property inspector, why can't I do this now? It seems a *lot* easier than the other methods.


 Also, is there a secret to using the Property Inspector Size and
 Position pane effectively?

non-locked Groups will resize to their top-bottom-left and right most
controls
to fit them in. If you move an object (selectedgroup mode off - meaning
you
select objects inside of groups) it may or may not resize the group...

Set first the controls inside teh group to their position, then lock the
group's
location.

If the controls in the group are going to change place, dont lock the
group...
but you might have to resize it manually eventually at some point. Mileage
may
vary...

It really just seems that there is no way to achieve what I want to do in the IDE, I have been trying to do this now for about 45 mins!

I have a group that with some text locatated at the top, this needs to be X Pixels down from the Top Border of the group. To do this I must set the "lockLoc" property of the group, otherwise the top of the group moves down so that the gap is now less than X.

At the bottom of the Group I have a Rectangle, which is Y pixels in height and I want to increase the height to Z pixels. If I increase the height, the bottom gets truncated to the bottom of the group, unless I set lockLoc to false, and, if I do that, then the top moves! Arrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhh!

Is there a way of doing this or is it impossible and I'm just wasting my time?

I have a Stack that needs some modifications. Basically there were 4 groups originally and now this needs to be comdensed into 3 groups which meants controls being moved into the other groups which means resizing and relocating the groups and controls. It just seems so hard to do this simple task, and, for some reason (apart from the Layer Arrows not working), it seemed a lot easier in the previous version of RunRev.

Thanks a lot for your help
All the Best
Dave












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