On Feb 13, 2006, at 6:10 AM, Ken Apthorpe wrote:
[snip]
It's the Docs that are the problem for newbies, and it's the docs
that turn
us away. I tried Rev in about 2003, and decided it was just too
hard. I was
hoping things had got a bit easier by now, but it dosn't look like
it to me.
[snip]
That's why Rev isn't more popular.
I agree, and add that the price also adds to a potential new users
dislike. I'm sure the price alone has chased of a many potential
users. It did keep me at bey for quite some time.
I agree with those that say Rev needs something in addition to the
tutorials
for newbies. I think they need sets of simple working examples with a
variety of script examples.
I'll finish with an analogy. Back in the days when getting up a
web site
was all the rage, the hand coders would sneer at WSIWYG web tools
like the
early versions of Dreamweaver and Cyberstudio. Now what are even the
professionals using? Dreamweaver and GoLive. There is a lesson in
there for
Rev I think.
[RANT ON]
You have a hot import car and you're racing your buddy down a back
road... Does that make you a professional? No, the pro still uses
the proper equipment and races on pro tracks.
Likewise, pro web designers still do things the right way. If the
job requires the use of a WYSIWYG editor, then sure, they'll use it,
but those editors are seriously limited and can't do what a real pro
does with hand coding. For me, I did use WYSIWYG editors for layout
only, then I'd open the resulting html files up in a text editor and
clean and fix the code, and then continue on with the rest of the
html code needed.
Basically, a pro knows all the code and could if he/she wanted to
create an entire site by hand without the use or need for a WYSIWYG
editor. Posers are the ones who call themselves professionals but
don't know the code behind the work they did.
[RANT OFF]
Mmmm... Ok, so you can tell I'm one of those hand coders from back
in the day who sneered at WYSIWYG editors. ;-) (started designing
sites back in 1994, closed shop in 2001)
One other thing. The IDE in Rev kind of throws me off also, but I
believe it's due to myself having Attention Deficit Disorder. I can
easily work in an IDE that is simply and editor with a few buttons
and tools that I can open and close when needed, but with Rev, the
many open windows and lack of a main editor window where I can access
all the code of my project really throws me off.
In fact, it had thrown me so much that I just gave up on Rev last
month. But a few days I go I decided to give it one last try. This
time I'm getting along much better. Maybe a break from it allowed me
to let the IDE sink in or something.
Long story short, I agree, the docs browser sucks, some of the
documentation in the docs browser is lacking for a newbie. And I add
that the price also can be a turn off. And for someone with A.D.D.,
the IDE is a turn off (probably not a whole lot of programmers out
there with A.D.D., so I doubt this should be a concern).
-Garrett
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