Dan,
Thank you for your response. The main thrust of my apps are as
desktop apps, both LAN and WAN. However, there is an increasing
interest in being able to select some artworks and on the desktop app
and push the date to a web app for general viewing.
So I anticipate that the web apps would be VERY simple, and it might
even be possible to push the date into something like PHP-Fusion or
Joomla! There's no need to reinvent the wheel.
I have glimpsed at the "pickaxe" book on Ruby, and while it looks
like a very elegant language, it sure is DEEP.
I have ordered your book, by the way, and look forward to getting my
hands on it.
All the best,
Michael
On Mar 14, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Pardon me for jumping in here but I just went through a fairly
extensive and
intense period of working with Ruby on Rails and I'm a sort of long-
time
Revolutionary so I figured I could add something to the discussion.
Web applications in the sense Ruby on Rails defines them cannot be
written
in Revolution. You *can* write CGIs and deploy stacks on servers
and Web
servers but there is, e.g., no Revolution plugin that would allow
you to
deploy a Rev app on a Web server so that a Firefox user could
access it.
You can, however, develop what are called Desktop Web Appliances (see
http://www.daniels-mara.com/WebAppliances.htm) using Rev quite
nicely. And
with Altuit's amazingly powerful altBrowser (
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm),
you can
create custom browsers that embed the behavior of Firefox and/or IE
on OS X
and Windows, respectively. And creating Web-aware Rev apps is
really a piece
of cake.
So if you just need an app to be able to deal with the Internet/
Web, Rev is
perfect. If, OTOH, you really need or want to build apps that
reside on the
Web and can be accessed out of standard Web browsers, then Rev
won't work.
In that case, Ruby on Rails is the best tool for creating such apps
as I've
seen but be forewarned: it's deceptively easy to do simple stuff in
RoR but
I found it dishearteningly difficult to use it to create anything
real even
after spending a lot of time, energy and money (see
http://www.danshafer.com/onemind/?q=node/43).
As for REALBasic vs. Revolution, Johnathan Lynch is basically right on
target with his comments. I'd add one more: unless you already know
BASIC
syntax and/or have some familiarity with a Visual Basic-type
environment,
Real isn't going to be very easy to learn or use. And as far as I
can tell,
database stuff is far more mature and accessible in Rev than in Real.
On 3/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I will. Could you please elaborate on the second question is asked:
2) Revolution vs Ruby on Rails? You mean to say you use Revolution
to write browser enabled web-apps? Something I could access with
Firefox? If so, I'd love to hear more.
Thanks.
Michael
On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:
If you search the archives, you will find countless RunRev Vs. Real
Basic
discussions.
I think it breaks down to your needs and your programming style.
For me,
RunRev and Transcript just fit with my brain really well.
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