Thanks for the ack (acknowledgement), Tom.

I do, like everyone else here, have my opinions on what I'd do or not do if I were in Kevin or Mark's shoes. And I've expressed some of them in my blog (http://daniels-mara.com/galaxy_blog/?p=6), but I also know that I only have non-participant's view of their technical, business and personal lives. Mostly I want to see them keep their love and passion for the product alive.

I have met them both Kevin and Mark in person and chat with them between RevConWest conferences. They are smart, articulate, dedicated people--for whom I have respect, confidence, compassion and even affection. I acknowledge them for the hard work they are doing. If they need my advice or help they ask for it. I let them know they can do so without reservation and that anything they tell me in confidence will remain in confidence.

If you really want to help make Revolution the next Ruby on Rails or [fill in the blank here] come to RevConWest (http:// www.revconwest.com/revcon/Speakers.htm) and meet them, get to know them as human beings and offer to help in any way you can. Business and technical chiefs always appreciate a "hey..how about this?" or a "Let me know if i can help" remark and rarely respond to "HERE's what you should be doing." BTW, they are definitely smart enough to recognize a sh*t sandwich, so don't try slipping in a devastating remark inserted between two compliments.

It's really easy for me to watch a boxing match and comment on what one of the boxers should have done differently, but then I'm not the one getting hit in the face or stomach. I still make the comments, though. So I understand the need to make comments and suggestions. Lynn, Jacque, Heather, Sarah, Richard, Ken, Chip and many others are doing a good job trying to keep the discussion balanced.

Jerry

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On Apr 16, 2006, at 8:52 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Jerry,

I understood exactly what you meant the first time and this just verifies it to me. I don't think a recant was necessary but the update and clarification is good.

I think this is very relative to this list as it refers to a developer (REV is a developer, and some of us are developers too) and the process of chasing every opinion that tends to show up on lists. Opinions are fine and should be considered but not taken as absolute in product development.

If I were to listen to and comply with every opinion of the company I write prototypes for then the product would never have seen the light of day. Some of these even from the same people are conflicting and sometimes introduce more ill than good in the software. That said it is still important as a developer to get a feel for the overall input and desires and opinions of the people using the software but not necessarily bogged down by it. Which is what I got from your post.

So with that in mind I could relate to your original thread and thought it was very helpful in reminding me to 'stay the course' with my own development.

Tom

(off to read a blog)


On Apr 15, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

I am not saying that I think Kevin and Mark should not be given or listen to feedback. I just said that if I were them I wouldn't read the list. That's just my opinion. I would get some distance from the list barrage and get creative and productive with the product. Maybe change some more fundamental things about my product or company.

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