Judy....

I thnk the research is a tad mixed on the subject. I remember a wonderful
book back in the mid- to late 80's called "A Small Matter of Programming" by
Bonnie Nardi, an extremely bright researcher in end-user programming. Excel
macros -- which I'd argue are among the most obtuse "languages" on the
programming planet -- rate very high with inventive user programmers despite
their complete lack of English-like syntax or rationale.

I thnk your point in general is well taken but the exceptoins are
mind-blowing.

On 7/9/06, Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And, yet, the literature seems clear that the best languages for learning
programming are those which are the simplest and employ natural-language
where possible.  Those employing magical black-boxes are the least
desirable/effective from a 'learning to program' standpoint.

What is nice about Rev and has always been nice about Hypercard was what
some may well consider 'stooping to kindergarten'-level:  enabling people
to be minimally and comprehensibly successful with a minimal amount of
time invested; and that such does indeed seem to encourage a further time
investment.

Judy

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Hey we program, and we use code. What's so technical about that?
>
> I don't think Rev has to stoop to kindergarten level either, nor
> strive to be the buddy of non-technicals. Programming with a good
> tool is by nature technical. At some point words have to be used to
> describe things, and these words already exist.
>
> I'd hate to have to use terms like "put the white box in here and the
> other one over there...."

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