Yes.  I agree with moving passwords off the client computer.

However, either the client computer, the app or the user will need to validate the server, or you are liable to MIM attacks. If the environment is such that man-in-the-middle attacks cannot occur, then this does not apply. For SSL, a private cert can be created and then the public cert for that can be used at the client end. That needs to be moved to the client in a way that does not allow substitution.

The authentication of the user is still done by password.

You might also want some way to confirm that the user is contacting the db from a client computer that he is allowed to do that on.

(BTW, it might turn out that your db will do almost all of this for you. Maybe you can just pull out the security manual for the db and turn the crank. If the db can handle passwords, privileges, SSL, and encryption maybe you can exploit all that.)

Dar Scott

On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

I would second that. If you're going to go to all of the trouble of encrypting your database, using SSL, taking thumbprints, etc, etc - then just about any method of storing critical passwords on the client side is going to immediately be the weak link. I would strongly consider just not storing the password on the client computer at all and making them enter it each time.

Chipp's method also would allow you to block all connections to the database that are not local. Make 'em go through an intermediary that only accepts certain commands/requests so that even with a username and password, they couldn't connect directly to the database server. Even for low security web apps, that is typically the case.

John,

Here's how I solve a similar problem.

I ask the user to login with a name and a password. They enter it and
it goes (securely) to a web page on a server, There the connection is
made to the database passing along the username and password for
verification. This way there is never a need to store anything but the
address of the webpage in the client app. No users or passwords are
ever stored there.

best,
Chipp
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