Hello Steve, I am subscribed to various MLs such as Ant and Tomcat because I 
seem to find something that grabs my interest almost daily. And, the smartfrog 
link below is no exception. I went directly to smartfrog and I have been 
reading avidly for several hours. And, I agree with the rhetoric so far that 
smartfrog is not arcane but is overwhelming to the new user because of all the 
features (reminds me of JMeter). My current gig is a Tomcat/JBoss assessment 
for a company that is in dire need of performance tuning and some type of 
vertical of horizontal scaling such that their current web app and web service 
installations can scale up to 25k users. I am currently using JMeter for remote 
distributed testing but what I need more are multiple instances of their 
servlet containers (Tomcat & JBoss). JBoss lends it self to multiple instances 
very handily but their current Tomcat 5.5 by what I have seen on the Tomcat ML 
can be problematic to configure and difficult to maintain as a s
 table multiple instance server. My question is (before I spend a gazillion 
hours working-out the smartfrog examples) can smartfrog help toward creating a 
computing grid using disparate machines and disparate systems of disparate 
JDKs/JREs and disparate Tomcat versions? What are the advantages of smartfrog 
over just using JMeter and load-balancing? I read the PDF whitepaper: Globus 
Toolkit and smartfrog but that reading did not lead to anymore confidence. What 
happened to the day when I had time to read the Loughran/Hatcher Ant book and 
then go-to-work? Please advise, David.


Steve Loughran wrote ..
> Z W wrote:
> > Oliver
> > I thought about that but it wouldn't solve the problem because I don't know
> > when exactly the process dies
> > 
> 
> 
> What you're  effectively trying to do here is monitor remote processes; 
> you've jump from build time to run time/management problems.
> 
> More subtly, its not enough to check that the process is present, you 
> need to be sure it is *alive*. If you can monitor the external side 
> effect of a process (http get, telnet to a port, make a JDBC call) then 
> you can see if a system is actually alive as far as an outside caller is 
> concerned. This is the best thing you can do.
> 
> Now, I work full time on deploying and managing very large/complex/high 
> availability systems; the core runtime we use is freely (i.e. LPGL) 
> available at http://smartfrog.org/ / SmartFrog is not a build tool, its 
> there to configure and coordinate big systems.
> 
> I think it sounds like your project is reaching the stage where it needs 
> this kind of tool...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Steve Loughran                  http://www.1060.org/blogxter/publish/5
> Author: Ant in Action           http://antbook.org/
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