I think the requirement is that one spec cannot require another spec
(besides the core) in it's definition.

i.e. JAX-RS whiteboard should be implementable without RSA or DS for
instance.

But as for the actual implementation, I think it should be fine if it
leverages other spec. Like DS already does with CM for instance.

- Ray

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Christian Schneider <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I agree. Will add my comments in the bugzilla. With whiteboard model you
> mean that the class must be exported as a service? That makes sense.
> On the other hand it is then already very similar to Remote Service Admin.
>
> In Aries RSA it is possible to create a custom ExportPolicy that would
> find services that contain a @Path annotation. It can then add the
> properties to export the service as a rest endpoint. So I can imagine that
> we could implement the new spec using Aries RSA.
>
> If you prefer to create a separate project for the spec then I would not
> block this but I think it makes sense to consider simply adding this in
> Aries RSA.
>
> Christian
>
> 2016-05-12 21:32 GMT+02:00 Raymond Auge <[email protected]>:
>
>> One more point, the RFC proposes a whiteboard model rather than an
>> extender model.
>>
>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Raymond Auge <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Could you make your comments on the validity of the spec via the OSGi
>>> bugzilla?
>>>
>>> I'm not really trying to debate the spec here just trying to find a home
>>> for an impl.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> - Ray
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Christian Schneider <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For reference here is an example that shows how to use Aries RSA and
>>>> the CXF provider to export an annotated services as a REST resource:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/cschneider/Karaf-Tutorial/blob/master/tasklist-ds/service/src/main/java/net/lr/tasklist/service/TaskServiceRest.java
>>>>
>>>> The CXF provider currently is not split into JAXWS and JAXRS but this
>>>> should be done anyway to make each slimmer.
>>>>
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>> 2016-05-12 18:51 GMT+02:00 Christian Schneider <[email protected]
>>>> >:
>>>>
>>>>> If I understood this correctly then the whiteboard extender would pick
>>>>> up all classes annotated with @Path. I dont think this is a good approach.
>>>>> Such an extender would always compete with a DI framework like blueprint 
>>>>> or
>>>>> DS.
>>>>>
>>>>> A much better approach is used by Remote Service Admin. It picks up
>>>>> only jaxrs endpoints that are exposed as OSGi services. This has the big
>>>>> benefit that the DI framework creates the instance and does the service
>>>>> injections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a good reason to publish JAXRS classes that are no OSGi
>>>>> services? Maybe the spec could be changed to simply explain how to expose
>>>>> Rest resources in Remote Service Admin in a standardized way.
>>>>>
>>>>> The CXF provider for Aries RSA already can expose annotated OSGi
>>>>> services as JAXRS Endpoints.
>>>>> If you want a slimmer implementation than CXF then I propose we create
>>>>> an additional provider for Aries RSA. It should not be difficult to extend
>>>>> your code to make it a RSA provider.
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-05-12 18:09 GMT+02:00 Raymond Auge <[email protected]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, here is a link to the current implementation bundles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/liferay/liferay-portal/tree/master/modules/apps/foundation/portal-remote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Raymond Auge <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of you may be aware of the R7 work toward a spec for JAX-RS
>>>>>>> Whitaboard [1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's some interest in developing an RI based on some open source
>>>>>>> work by Liferay starting from it's existing JAX-RS whiteboard
>>>>>>> implementation (which is already relatively close to the current RFC). 
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> implementation is currently a thin wrapper around a minimal Apache CXF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To this end we're wondering if the Aries project would be interested
>>>>>>> it accepting:
>>>>>>> 1) a donation of code to bootstrap this work
>>>>>>> 2) a new committer to help drive the effort toward full support of
>>>>>>> the spec and further maintenance (Carlos Sierra [2] whom I'm 
>>>>>>> encouraging to
>>>>>>> join Aries lists and familiarize himself with Apache process)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/osgi/design/tree/master/rfcs/rfc0217
>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/csierra/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
>>>>>>>  (@rotty3000)
>>>>>>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
>>>>>>>  (@Liferay)
>>>>>>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org>
>>>>>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
>>>>>>  (@rotty3000)
>>>>>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
>>>>>>  (@Liferay)
>>>>>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org>
>>>>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> Christian Schneider
>>>>> http://www.liquid-reality.de
>>>>> <https://owa.talend.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=3aa4083e0c744ae1ba52bd062c5a7e46&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.liquid-reality.de>
>>>>>
>>>>> Open Source Architect
>>>>> http://www.talend.com
>>>>> <https://owa.talend.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=3aa4083e0c744ae1ba52bd062c5a7e46&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.talend.com>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Christian Schneider
>>>> http://www.liquid-reality.de
>>>> <https://owa.talend.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=3aa4083e0c744ae1ba52bd062c5a7e46&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.liquid-reality.de>
>>>>
>>>> Open Source Architect
>>>> http://www.talend.com
>>>> <https://owa.talend.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=3aa4083e0c744ae1ba52bd062c5a7e46&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.talend.com>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
>>>  (@rotty3000)
>>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
>>>  (@Liferay)
>>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org>
>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
>>  (@rotty3000)
>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
>>  (@Liferay)
>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org>
>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Christian Schneider
> http://www.liquid-reality.de
> <https://owa.talend.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=3aa4083e0c744ae1ba52bd062c5a7e46&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.liquid-reality.de>
>
> Open Source Architect
> http://www.talend.com
> <https://owa.talend.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=3aa4083e0c744ae1ba52bd062c5a7e46&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.talend.com>
>



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*Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
 (@rotty3000)
Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
 (@Liferay)
Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org> (@OSGiAlliance)

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