Hi all,

I think I'm going to stick with scala and scio :-).

I'm curious though: why is there a hard coupling between scio and beam
versions? I was hoping to use latest scio 0.7.0-beta2 with beam 2.9.0 but
that appears to get blocked, which was unexpected to me.

Regarding the suggestion to add my project to this page: I'm flattered, but
it's all still very early and prototype like...

Btw, Max, I was wondering where I heard your name before. Apparently it's
because I was planning to go to your fosdem talk.
So if you or anyone else want to have a chat, I should probably be there on
sunday :-).

Kind regards,
Jan


On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 17:13, Gleb Kanterov <[email protected]> wrote:

> Agree with Max that scio is lagging behind. However, it also has features
> that significantly reduce boilerplate, and even improve performance. For
> instance, the latest version (0.7.0) automatically derives binary coders
> for case classes using macro at compile-time, that is a way better
> than Java/Kryo serialization.
>
> Jan, if you find that you are missing features, or have general feedback,
> you are always welcome to create issues or pull requests in spotify/scio
> <https://github.com/spotify/scio> repository :).
>
> Gleb
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:57 PM Maximilian Michels <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Interesting project, Jan! I think we could add your project to this page:
>> https://beam.apache.org/community/integrations/
>>
>> The benefit of using the Java DSL would be to be able to directly track
>> Beam.
>> The Scio Scala DSL usually lags a bit behind. But since you probably
>> don't
>> require the latest features and Scala is more enjoyable for you, I think
>> your
>> current design choice is sensible.
>>
>> Best,
>> Max
>>
>> On 04.01.19 16:22, Kenneth Knowles wrote:
>> > Scio is a Scala wrapper on top of Beam's Java SDK. So it still benefits
>> from the
>> > maturity of Beam Java in terms of performance and reliability. Using
>> Scala will
>> > definitely be less verbose than Java. You can use Scio or the Java SDK
>> directly
>> > with Scala's support for calling Java libraries.
>> >
>> > Kenn
>> >
>> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 12:38 PM <[email protected]
>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Hi Chak,
>> >
>> >     I'm not sure if it's the correct decision...
>> >     To be completely honest, the first iterations (which I haven't made
>> public
>> >     so far) were actually in java.
>> >     However I find java to be a bit verbose for my taste.
>> >     The past 5 years I've worked in OCaml, and despite the lacking
>> >     tooling/ecosystem I really liked the language. It's really
>> expressive.
>> >
>> >     Scala has a similar feel as OCaml, which is why I want to pick it
>> up, and
>> >     thus why I experimented with it on this project.
>> >
>> >     But if most people who would want to contribute would only do so in
>> a java
>> >     codebase, then I don't mind continuing this in java.
>> >
>> >     Kind regards,
>> >     Jan
>> >
>> >
>> >     On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 21:14, Chak-Pong Chung <[email protected]
>> >     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >
>> >         Hi Jan,
>> >
>> >         This is quite interesting. As far as I know, Beam and Flink
>> have more
>> >         mature and stable API in Java. What is the motivation here to
>> use
>> >         scala/scio in your project?
>> >
>> >         Kind regards,
>> >         Chak
>> >
>> >         On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 1:02 PM <[email protected]
>> >         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >
>> >             Hi all,
>> >
>> >             I figured out how to build deterministic transaction
>> processing on
>> >             top of apache beam/flink.
>> >
>> >             https://domsj.info/2018/12/30/introducing-streamy-db.html
>> >             https://github.com/domsj/streamy-db
>> >
>> >             I can use some help, please join me!
>> >
>> >             Kind regards,
>> >             Jan
>> >
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Gleb
>

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