hi Keith,
please have a look at this example.
http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-0/#po2.xml
that's a qualified message. Every element implicitly belongs to
default namespace.
what i did not understand is the namespaces of local elements.

say you add a top level element "name"  to qualified po2.xsd and also
you have a subelement "name" in both "shipTo" and "billTo". can you
tell me your opinion on which "name" element belongs to which
namespace. what resolves this conflict?
I think the top level "name" will be in default namespace but what
about the subelement?

I think the answer for the question above gonna make me clear on this
subject because apparently my namespace understanding causes the
confusion.

thanks in advance
mesut


On 9/28/05, Keith Visco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My comments inline...
>
> Mesut Celik wrote:
> > Hi Keith,
> > answers below...
> >
> > On 9/27/05, Keith Visco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>As far as I understand it, qualified and unqualified indicate which
> >>namespace an element belongs to, not whether or not it should have a
> >>prefix.
> >
> > that's not completely correct. "Qualified" means every subelement must
> > have a namespace prefix. "Unqualified" means no subelement is allowed
> > to have a namespace prefix which relatively indicates that subelement
> > belongs to the namespace of its parent.
> >
>
> I disagree. And I have read the link you provided below. When you
> qualify and element, you are specifying which target namespace the
> element belongs in. A namespace prefix by itself is essentially
> meaningless. It's what the prefix maps to that matters.
>
> >> So you can have an unprefixed element which is still qualified
> >
> >>with the default namespace declaration.
> >
> > if you have an unprefixed local element, not parent, this says your
> > xml is unqualified.
> >
> > You can also have a prefixed
> >
> >>element which is unqualified by having a prefix which maps to an empty
> >>namespace.
> >
> > each subelement which is prefixed by a namespace refers to an qualified 
> > message.
> >
> > here the critical part is we only focus on subelements so that we make
> > a conclusion if an xml is qualified.
>
> Again, it's my understanding that qualification refers to what target
> namespace the element (or attribute) belongs and I've re-read the schema
> spec and I don't see anything in there to the contrary. I could be
> wrong, but I don't see any clear cut data in the recommendation that
> indicates that.
>
> >
> > please look at this document from w3c.org to get familiar with this issues.
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-0/#NS
> >
>
> I have and it doesn't change my view on the subject. The following is a
> qualified element in my opinion:
>
> <foo xmlns="http://foo.org/namespace";>
> </foo>
>
> > what amazes me is that no one else was concerned about this issue before.
> > before sending the complete case I just wanna learn how castor handles
> > this qualification/unqualification issue.
> >
>
> It should handle it as specified in XML Schema 1.0 Recommendation. If it
> doesn't then it's a bug and should be reported in the Castor JIRA.
>
> --Keith
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>In any case, it sounds like there may be a bug here. Can you provide a
> >>small, but complete example which I could look at further.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>--Keith
> >>
> >>Mesut Celik wrote:
> >>
> >>>Thats the root element:
> >>>
> >>><xs:schema xmlns:xs=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema
> >>>xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance
> >>>xmlns:soapenv=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/
> >>>xmlns:soapenc=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/
> >>>xmlns:tns="urn:dslforum-org:cwmp-1-0"
> >>>xmlns:cwmp="urn:dslforum-org:cwmp-1-0"
> >>>xmlns:wsdl="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/wsdl/";
> >>>targetNamespace="urn:dslforum-org:cwmp-1-0"
> >>>elementFormDefault="unqualified"
> >>>attributeFormDefault="unqualified">
> >>>
> >>>That's my element definition:
> >>>
> >>><xs:element name="Inform">
> >>>   <xs:complexType>
> >>>       <xs:sequence>
> >>>          <xs:element name="Event" type="tns:Event"/>
> >>>       </xs:sequence>
> >>>    </xs:complexType>
> >>></xs:element>
> >>>
> >>>thats a complextype for the Event:
> >>>
> >>><xs:complexType name="Event">
> >>><xs:sequence>
> >>><xs:element name="EventStruct" type="tns:EventStruct" minOccurs="1"
> >>>maxOccurs="16"/>
> >>></xs:sequence>
> >>><xs:attribute ref="soapenc:arrayType" /> //This part added
> >>></xs:complexType>
> >>>
> >>>Normally I would expect that serialized form of Inform Element is
> >>>unqualified which means that all the subelements of Inform element
> >>>must not have namespace prefix. however castor puts this namespace
> >>>prefix always in front of the for example Event element.
> >>>        <cwmp:Inform >
> >>>            <cwmp:Event soap:arrayType="EventStruct[2]">
> >>>                <cwmp:EventStruct>
> >>>                    <EventCode>4 VALUE CHANGE</EventCode>
> >>>                    <CommandKey></CommandKey>
> >>>                </cwmp:EventStruct>
> >>>            </cwmp:Event>
> >>>        </cwmp:Inform>
> >>>
> >>>Maybe the reason is Event has a global complex type definition which
> >>>conflicts with Event element definition inside the Inform complex-type
> >>>definition.
> >>>
> >>>I hope everything is clear. I can give more information in case of 
> >>>confusion...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 9/26/05, Werner Guttmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Mesut,
> >>>>
> >>>>can you please include the relevant parts of the XML Schema instance you
> >>>>are using, i.e. at least the root element ?
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>Werner
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>      From: Mesut Celik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>      Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:39 PM
> >>>>      To: [email protected]
> >>>>      Subject: [castor-user] Re: elementFormDefault is not working in
> >>>>unqualified mode
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      please respond your opinions.
> >>>>      any idea would be appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>>      regards,
> >>>>      mesut
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      On 9/16/05, Mesut Celik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>              Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>              I have a xml schema in which i defined
> >>>>"elementFormDefault" as "unqualified". I use this schema to generate
> >>>>java object model which we use in our protocol layer.
> >>>>              however, I saw that after marshalling operation, castor
> >>>>qualifies all the local elements although elementFormDefault is
> >>>>unqualified.
> >>>>
> >>>>              what can be the cause of the problem? Im using a binding
> >>>>file but I didnt see anything accidently change the default behaviour.
> >>>>
> >>>>              any help appreciated!...
> >>>>                              mesut
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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