I can check into how they handle the non-explicit-ordering-column case if you'd like.

I would appreciate that. Maybe that join is their answer. Not pretty at all.

Interestingly, by default, a one-to-many relationship in hibernate is still handled through an intermediary join table.
You can override that, of course, but I thought it a curious default.

Ugh, I am sure it sucks for the (unsuspecting) users.

Andrus

On Sep 26, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Robert Zeigler wrote:

HIbernate actually handles this.
When you define a relationship as a list, hibernate ensures that the items are always fetched in the same order. I haven't dug into the details of how to do this. I know its possible to explicitly declare a "sort column", but generally unnecessary; I assume that in the absence of an explicit sort column, hibernate (silently) adds a sort column for you.

I can check into how they handle the non-explicit-ordering-column case if you'd like.

Interestingly, by default, a one-to-many relationship in hibernate is still handled through an intermediary join table. You can override that, of course, but I thought it a curious default. That said, by silently handling relationships that way, it would allow them to add the sort information to the join table, which has no object corollary so your object model is uncluttered.

Robert

On Sep 26, 2008, at 9/269:48 AM , Andrus Adamchik wrote:


On Sep 26, 2008, at 2:41 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:

Wouldn't it be a good idea for the generated methods to have the extra int argument?

It is a bit more involved than that. The problem with including this in Cayenne is that it won't work in a more general case. E.g. if you add an object at a particular index, and the master object is later invalidated and refetched, the order will be lost. Or if it is refetched by another user. So Scott's answer was essentially correct.

We tried to solve it from another angle, by defining a certain column as the "ordering" column to instruct Cayenne to order fetched relationship lists. It is still on the table, but it is also hairy...

For now I can't think of a clean generic solution that would map to a DB. The ordering column is the closest I can think of.

Thanks,
Andrus




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