I don't think we had a discussion. We can have it now.

In this particular case my thinking is that relationship itself does not have 
any particular "join semantics"... It is always a match between two keys. If 
you just need to find objects related to a given object, using outer join never 
makes sense. Where it does make sense is in qualifiers. But this makes it a 
property of a qualifier, not the relationship.

In generally it is often hard to find such single place for many ORM 
properties. There's always a concern that anything beyond basic DB mapping is 
really a property of the execution context (e.g. it is different 
per-application, per-session, per-query, etc. - a good example is entity 
callbacks/listeners adding behavior to the mapping). So this often becomes a 
question of whether "one size fits all".

Andrus


On Oct 25, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:
> Thank you Andrus.
> Has there ever been discussion of adding the ability to specify join types 
> when modeling relationships, or would that be at odds with design intentions? 
> It seems like a useful feature.
> 
> Cheers,
> - hugi
> 
> 
> 
> On 25.10.2011, at 11:23, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> 
>> Yes, in Cayenne join type is a property of a path in expression or query, 
>> not a relationship. This is by design.
>> 
>> Andrus
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:
>> 
>>> Good morning all.
>>> 
>>> The subject says it all, really: Cayenne seems to default to inner joins 
>>> for relationships. Is it possible for me to set the join type for 
>>> relationships in the model, so I don't have to specify the join type for 
>>> every query? (I always want outer joins)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> - hugi
>> 
> 
> 

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