Hi Giovanni, thanks a lot for your reply. I am looking forward working on this with you to find a good solution for everyone ;-)
Cheers Andy On 7 May 2015 at 10:53, Giovanni Lenzi <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok Andy, > > I'm very sorry for the tone. > > Yes, that's my very personal fear of this story... but it was all that > happened that lead me to these considerations. Also the fact that > Iriscouch, which is advocated by Jan and has Couch in its name, is still > there, sounded strange to me. > > However I trust you, and I want to trust that PMC is acting solely to > address project health. Really :) > > Smileupps is biased of course, there are no hidden secrets here: we are a > CouchDB hosting and our business is around CouchDB and Couchapps. But we > are helping with free hosting and tutorials and we would like to promote > such a great thing called Couchapp. We don't want to add our specific > feature or remove anything, couchapps are already there. > > > Please accept this and help us further to achieve this goal > Of course, I hope I may help you further to achieve it. > > Cheers > > 2015-05-07 10:17 GMT+02:00 Andy Wenk <[email protected]>: > >> Hi Giovanni, >> >> I don't like the underlying tone of your email. You are missing one >> important thing here and I ask you friendly to keep this in mind for >> further communications. Jan is the Vice President of Apache CouchDB. >> Without any question I can confirm, that he is able to separate between >> the >> Apache CouchDB project and Hoodie. >> >> The point we asked you to change the name of your service has solely to do >> with guidelines we are following and you did not follow. This has not at >> all to do with anything regarding the companies we work for (Cloudant, >> Hoodie ...) but solely the Apache CouchDB project. >> >> What I can read between the lines of the email above is fear to loose a >> core concept you have built your service on and the Apache CouchDB project >> trying to rip this off. This is not true at all. We try to find a solution >> for ways to make CouchDB more awesome. Please accept this and help us >> further to achieve this goal. >> >> Cheers >> >> Andy >> >> On 7 May 2015 at 05:13, Giovanni Lenzi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Jan.. don't you think you are simply too biased for external projects, >> such >> > as your hoodie and pouchdb, to choose by your own, on a topic like >> > 'retiring couchapps', so important to couchdb users and devs? >> > >> > You REALLY can't mask it behind a marketing@ decision, of finding a >> story >> > you have already written, since a long time, and that you simply >> don'want >> > to change. Your story of the "data where you need it", does not have >> users >> > and industries consensus. You can't hide it! >> > >> > You started with changing tooling names, sutting down couchapp domains >> and >> > forcing our company to change our old couchappy name (even if couchapp >> > wasn't even a trademark). We did it, because you promised visibility to >> us >> > and couchapps, which has never happened. We believed in your words and >> in >> > an healty pmc, but after this last move, we really can't think it >> anymore. >> > >> > Couchapps are now much more powerful than they were in the past, also >> > thanks to our smileupps tutorials and app store platform, and to many >> other >> > improvements proposal already advanced by users, who instead would like >> to >> > improve them, not the contrary!!! >> > >> > Your chance now is to completely eradicate a main recruiting couchdb >> > feature, before users can get aware of its potential, leading couchdb >> > towards a probable self-killing action. And the worst is you are doing >> > this, without any proven evidence and motivation, withouth asking devs >> of >> > its development complexity, and users what they think about it. >> > >> > I definetely think you should: >> > 1. HEAR YOUR COMMUNITY AND DEVS.. and if the consensus is 'don't remove >> > couchapps, but push them with aggressive marketing'.. well then.. just >> do >> > it! >> > 2. Don't mark it absolutely as a marketing issue >> > >> > And you sould do this, before this could really be faced in front of the >> > ASF board. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Andy Wenk >> Hamburg - Germany >> RockIt! >> >> http://www.couchdb-buch.de >> http://www.pg-praxisbuch.de >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >> > > > > -- > Giovanni Lenzi > www.smileupps.com > Smileupps Couchapps Store > -- Andy Wenk Hamburg - Germany RockIt! http://www.couchdb-buch.de http://www.pg-praxisbuch.de GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
