Hi,
Thanks for the interest. The code is temporarily available for download
here (I need the space for some future plans, future == couple weeks
:-)). If you think its worthwhile, maybe it can find a permanent home on
the Drools site. And if you do decide to use this as a base for a future
Drools API, please feel free.
http://home.comcast.net/~sujit.pal/pluto.tar.gz
There is a dbi-doc.txt in wiki format which explains the design, along
with 2 .png files detailing the class diagram and schema design.
You can build the database using the file generated using ant schema.
There are 2 .sql files for the schema, one for postgresql and the other
for mysql.
You can run the junit tests for the API using:
ant clean compile compile-test test
The web application is designed with resin, but it should work for other
application servers too. You may need to tweak the deploy target to tell
it the correct location of your application server.
Comments to some of the posts:
Michael Neale> We want to store rules atomically, and add in things like
versioning, access control and so on. Of course, it needs to be generic.
We need a rule repository API, and then tools that use it (ie the web
interface can be a component that people can use, or they can use the
API directly to store rules).
sujit> The project provides an API, although it is not as comprehensive
as you expected in your email. For example, version control and access
control is not covered, although it should be fairly easy to add in.
However, there are facilities to list all rulesets in the database, load
a ruleset by name, save/update a ruleset and clone rulesets. The web
interface uses the same API.
Paul Smith> To have the added flexibility to modify to rules without a
redeploy would be a big advantage. Not sure how you would source
control the rule bases if they are all stored in a database but I
certainly like the idea.
sujit> Yes, not having to redeploy was one of the considerations.
Although, looking back on it, I ended up re-inventing some wheels
already done by the Drools team. Perhaps a better way to do this would
be to marry the two, ie use the database to store the data, then
generate a .drl file on demand and run it through the provided Drools API.
I am also looking for feedback on what you think I've done wrong, or
stuff you think I could have done better.
Thanks
-sujit
Michael Neale wrote:
We want to release a rule repository API with the Drools 3.0 version.
This is something that could be contributed towards that if you are happy to
!
The idea is to have a foundation API, which provides all repository
functionality, including versioning, searching, checkin/out etc, which can
be used to deploy rules into running systems. A web based user interface is
one front end to this API, as will be any plug ins - or custom applications
for people with special needs for their environment. It sounds like you are
a lot of the way there.
I was initially trying the Java Content Repository API, but decided it will
be easier to use hibernate directly - out of the box we can include HSQLDB
(so people can get up and running without a seperate database server) but of
course MySQL, Oracle and SQL Server, DB etc can be supported thanks to
hibernate.
Please do share it !
Michael
JBoss Inc.
On 12/28/05, Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, I'd certainly be interested in taking a look too. I'm keen to do
some proof of concept work in the near future using drools in our EAM
system. To have the added flexibility to modify to rules without a
redeploy would be a big advantage. Not sure how you would source
control the rule bases if they are all stored in a database but I
certainly like the idea.
On 12/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd definately be interested in looking at your code.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Pal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:16:40 -0800
Subject: Re: [drools-user] setting application-data with spring drools
Hi,
I've just finished building a small proof-of-concept that uses a
database to store rules and provides a simplified interface to the Drools
engine to the client. The client calls named rulesets using the interface
and the rules are loaded from the database.
There is also a web interface to maintain the rules. The rulesets are
stored atomically, ie as normalized data instead of as a .drl file (CLOB
data). The web interface is built using Spring MVC. The database object
abstraction is built using Hibernate. The body of the conditions and
consequences are scriptable using Python or extendable using small Java
classes. I did the Petstore example using both approaches to illustrate the
usage.
If there is interest in this sort of thing, please let me know. I would
be happy to write up this stuff with the code, perhaps in the user stories
section of the drools site.
Thanks
Sujit
Hamu, Dave wrote:
Mark & Drools Community:
I am interested in the question of using rules engines (Drools, in
particular, with frameworks such as the Spring Framework), which
Leonardo discussed in his e-mail (below). Can someone elaborate more
fully on the reason that Drools or other rules engines cannot be used
within the Spring framework. I understand that a key feature of Spring
is that it is a pojo framework and that it uses the "Hollywood
Principle". I have not had any hands-on experience with Spring, but
there are many aspects of the framework that I have gleaned from my
readings that make Spring very attractive to me.
I have long been critical of Struts, because it is needlessly
complex
and unfortunately so heavily reliant on EJB's. In contrast, I favor
the
concepts advocated by Rod Johnson which are exploited in Spring. I
realize that that this is a bit tangential from the Drools community's
focus, however, there is an inherent elegance in pairing a rules
engine
with an application framework. > > So, I would like to encourage some
discussion on the following topics:
1) Practical approaches for using Drools with Application Frameworks
2) Problems with using Drools with Application Frameworks
3) Using Drools along with Workflow and/or BPM (some ideas about where
Drools is going as part of the JBOSS stack would be beneficial)
I am working with a very novel application framework concept that is
an
original product within the team that I work with at Avnet. The
framework is a command-controller/front-controller framework based on
concepts published on sun.java.com. This framework has some
interesting
features:
1) It is readily extended to invoke a rules engine on demand (we
have
not exploited this yet, but we have some prototype code for this)
2) It is easy to implement workflow within the framework (and we have
exploited this to a limited extent)
The chief problem with our in-house designed framework is that it is
not
an open-source product and not supported by vast number of developers
(just our team). On the one hand, it would be interesting to see our
framework adopted by a community of developers (although this may not
be
practical), or alternately, it might be beneficial for us to replace
the
our core framework with a framework that is widely supported in the
Java
Community.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts on Drools and Application
Frameworks.
Happy Holidays!
- Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Proctor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday,
December 23, 2005 7:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [drools-user] setting application-data with spring drools
It is simply not possible to support the power of a rule engines in
the
current pojo/spring approach. Drools 2.5 now compiles rules down to
pojos, it is possible to reference these pojo's interfaces and unit
test
those - we produce the a src jar for these rules so you can also debug
them.
Mark
Leonardo Susatyo wrote:
Is it true that Spring for Drools will not be supported in the
future?
If so, what will be the alternative b/c i kind of like the spring
approach for easier unit testing
thanks
--- Geoffrey Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On 12/20/05, Leonardo Susatyo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Could anyone please tell me how can I define application-data in
rulebase if i'm using drools-spring?
My knowledge in this area is pretty dated; when we last tried to do
that, we were on 2.0, possibly not even final, and we couldn't do it;
application data didn't seem to be working with annotated rules,
and >>>it was suggested that injection of rules via Spring was a preferred
route for this approach; we ended up moving to that, althogh there >>>are
instances where this is not very well suited.
For instance, if your rules are meant to be parameterized by a
processing data, this is something that can be passed in on a
per-invocation basis with Application Data but cannot easily be
injected.
I can't speak to whether or not this has been resolved, and I should
point out (before Mark does) that Spring/Drools is deprecated in the
Drools 3.0line, so that's something to consider.
ps: i saw a defect DROOLS 322, is it related?
Codehaus Jira is down, or at least not responding to my attempts to
access it at the moment, so I can't say.
--
Geoffrey Wiseman
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